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Police probe cellphone use in fatal crash

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Police probe cellphone use in fatal crash


Law & Order | 206740 hits | Apr 23 1:22 am | Posted by: tritium
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The RCMP are investigating the possibility that a fatal vehicle crash in Metro Vancouver was caused by a driver who was distracted because he was on his cellphone...

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  1. by avatar martin14
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:39 pm
    suddenly it seems like $167 isnt enough.

  2. by avatar Bodah
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:08 pm
    It's banned where I live, yet I still see people yapping away on them while driving.

  3. by avatar Brenda
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:23 pm
    He might have just tried to grab his coffee, a cigarette, a pen, scratched his leg, or whatever else.
    Sometimes, an accident is just that, and sometimes, there is just no one to blame.

    The guy is on the road probably 60 hours a week. His truck is his office. His boss calls him there. His clients call him there. They cant stop everytime they get a call, his boss would fire him, and he wouldnt get paid. Lets get real here for a minute.

    I guess what I am saying, is that if a typist makes a mistake, no harm is done. But if a trucker makes a mistake, people can get killed. And he doesnt even get paid what a typist gets paid. Whats fair there?

    If it was intentional, sure, the guy is an ass. BUT, knowing a truckers life, I can asure you, that this was not intentional.

  4. by avatar Benn
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:42 pm
    "Brenda" said
    Lets get real here for a minute.




    Yes, lets. Someones dead because he didn't want to get fired from his job driving while running a mobile office, as you put forward. He needed to do it, someones life had ot be risked so he could work. How selfish!

    With what he's charged with he did not need intent, just known better. If he's a trucker he holds a higher class of license which says he knows better than most. I'm not a trucker but I hold a higher class of license than most and hold myself to the same standard. Yes mistakes are made but one also has to live with the consequences. He gets another chance from his mistake, someones kid or parent does not.

  5. by avatar Brenda
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:45 pm
    Ahhh, another case of guilty until proven innocent.

  6. by avatar Benn
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:54 pm
    Sorry IF mistakes are made one has to live with the consequences.

    We can ignore he's a proven distracted driver and some willingly admit he needs to be distracted to do his job, just to be fair

  7. by avatar tritium
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:03 pm
    "Brenda" said
    And he doesnt even get paid what a typist gets paid. Whats fair there?


    Yeah, a typist get far less money.

    WTF Benda, what truck driver have you been talking too.

    I get $23.50hr. Other companies such as Canadian Freighways and Arrow actually pay close to $28hr.

    Less than $20 for a Law Clerk typist here? :wink:

    http://www.civicinfo.bc.ca/161.asp?jobpostingid=11266

  8. by avatar Brenda
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:29 pm
    A $ per mile, no waiting time compensation, that kind of bs.

  9. by avatar andyt
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:33 pm
    So, Brenda, if this guy had creamed your husband, you'd still be saying, "oh, well, shit happens?"

  10. by Choban
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:07 pm

    I guess what I am saying, is that if a typist makes a mistake, no harm is done. But if a trucker makes a mistake, people can get killed. And he doesnt even get paid what a typist gets paid. Whats fair there?


    Truckers are supposed to be professional drivers, he's had the training (PDIC course ect...) and should have a bluetooth or headset to talk in his tractor, every one of my BC drivers got one (on the company's $) when the law was enacted.


    A $ per mile, no waiting time compensation, that kind of bs.


    Most transport companies pay layover benifits, waiting/load/unload times, meals ect, there is plenty of compensation for delays. Surely he makes more $ rolling but he's paid to sit too.

    I get $23.50hr. Other companies such as Canadian Freighways and Arrow actually pay close to $28hr.

    Less than $20 for a Law Clerk typist here?


    And CF is bottom barrel for pay grade in the industry. Lots of $ out there for a trucker willing to run.

    Truthfully what makes it worse is the fact he's a trucker, he should be held to a higher standard on the road, he's supposed to be a professional. My heart goes out to anyone who dies and any trucker involved in a fatality accident, fact is that if he was on a cell, there is no excuse and not only him but the company he works for should be held accountable for his actions, if it's a matter of driver fatigue theres no excuse for that either, thats why we have log books and hours of service regulations

    On the other hand, sometimes an accident is just an accident and thats that.

  11. by avatar Brenda
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:08 pm
    It's not always someones "fault", in the sense that it is intent. It doesnt matter whether it is my husband or someone elses.
    Yes, I realize someone lost a loved one, and it could as well have been me. But that doesnt mean it was intent.

  12. by avatar Brenda
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:11 pm
    Truckers are supposed to be professional drivers, he's had the training (PDIC course ect...) and should have a bluetooth or headset to talk in his tractor, every one of my BC drivers got one (on the company's $) when the law was enacted.

    I TOTALLY agree, but that is not what the police are looking for. They are looking for the fact if he was distracted because he was on the phone, not if he held the phone in his hand.

    Most transport companies pay layover benifits, waiting/load/unload times, meals ect, there is plenty of compensation for delays. Surely he makes more $ rolling but he's paid to sit too.

    Not where I live.

    Truthfully what makes it worse is the fact he's a trucker, he should be held to a higher standard on the road, he's supposed to be a professional. My heart goes out to anyone who dies and any trucker involved in a fatality accident, fact is that if he was on a cell, there is no excuse and not only him but the company he works for should be held accountable for his actions, if it's a matter of driver fatigue theres no excuse for that either, thats why we have log books and hours of service regulations

    It does, but he is also more prone to causing/being in one, because the majority of people do not spend as much time on the road as a trucker does. Still, there are WAY more "normal cars" involved in accidents than truckers.
    I agree with you, if he was on a cell, he has a problem, and so should his boss.

    On the other hand, sometimes an accident is just an accident and thats that.

    Exactly. Thats why I mentioned the coffee, scratching his leg, getting his sunglasses (huh, he may have been blinded by the sun)...

  13. by avatar andyt
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:47 pm
    "Brenda" said
    It's not always someones "fault", in the sense that it is intent. It doesnt matter whether it is my husband or someone elses.
    Yes, I realize someone lost a loved one, and it could as well have been me. But that doesnt mean it was intent.


    Almost nobody intends to kill somebody, or even get in an accident, when they drive. But if he was using his cell phone, he was intentionally being inattentive to the business at hand - driving. That's what criminal negligence causing death means - it's equivalent to manslaughter. He didn't mean to kill the guy, but should have foreseen that his actions could lead to doing so.

  14. by avatar Brenda
    Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:53 pm
    "andyt" said
    It's not always someones "fault", in the sense that it is intent. It doesnt matter whether it is my husband or someone elses.
    Yes, I realize someone lost a loved one, and it could as well have been me. But that doesnt mean it was intent.


    Almost nobody intends to kill somebody, or even get in an accident, when they drive. But if he was using his cell phone, he was intentionally being inattentive to the business at hand - driving. That's what criminal negligence causing death means - it's equivalent to manslaughter. He didn't mean to kill the guy, but should have foreseen that his actions could lead to doing so.
    When getting out of your bed, you could foresee that some of your actions that day might maybe lead to someone's death.

    Anyhow, IF he was on his cellphone, HANDHELD, then yes, he is to blame, because that is illegal. So he should have an earpiece to do his job. If he didnt have that, who is to blame? Him or his boss?

    But, what if he was grabbing his coffee? We all drink coffee or whatever while driving, right? It's the Canadian thing to do.
    Or his sunglasses? Or blinded by the sun?

    What the police are looking for, once again, if he was using the phone at that moment. Not if he was holding it.



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