This year so far coolest for at least 5 years

By gosh, David Suzuki getting rid of all our fucking
old beer fridges is actually working. Who Knew ?
If Gore would just turn down his A/C we'll be just
coasting from now on.

no shit, every year is too damn cold and getting colder all the time.

This simply can't be true after all Gore and Suzuki maintain the debate is over....

The conservatives have cooked the books they are liars and dont want to save the planet like pelosi and co

After all global cooling is part of global warming

Maybe overall worldwide, but I can't ever remember rain in February in Edmonton. May was cooler than normal, but winter snow was gone by the end of February. Lord knows this summer was was as hot, or hotter than last year.

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no shit, every year is too damn cold and getting colder all the time.

Those circulation problems become a real bitch for you old folk. Next thing you know you'll be wearing your long johns year round.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 114150.htm



It should be expected that some years will be cooler then the years with unusually high temps but that isn't the story when dealing with what is obviously an upward trend.

Sure, this year is the coldest in 5 years, but that's not proof against global warming. It's actually proof of climate change that was predicted in Y2K/Kyoto/Warming/Cooling/Change/?. The scientists have decided and the only people who speak out against it are heretics and deniers who will all be thrown into re-education camps when the green revolution comes.

(sarcasm)

Oh, lily, I thought you knew better than to try and introduce some sense into the discussion. Tsk.

Exactly, why even debate it. The decision has been pre-ordained by the Ecco-god Gore and if you choose not to follow his teachings and his path, you will be judged by Saint Suzuki and cast into the pit of BushyMcSame..

What a bunch of scientifically illiterate maroons you are (and you know who you are).

The cooling is due to La Nina.
La Nina's effect will fade and warming will continue.
2008 will still be the 10th warmest year on record since 1850.

Try learning some real science instead of parroting your denier nonsense.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7574603.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate

Keep up the good work, Lily, Derby et al.

Facts are boring. I don't know why we even use them anymore. I thought the 21st century was supposed to be fun.

One thing I find interesting about people who tell you only the long term trend matters is the insinuation is it's a trend which began at the beginning of the industrial revolution - therefore man-made - but it's not. The trend is about .5 degrees warming per 100 years for at least the last three hundred years, or since we we started the natural warming process coming out of the little ice age.

They say the 20th century warming was .7 degrees, but the added .2 happened largely from 1971 to 1998, so really you're talking about a 26 year spike of .2. Therefore what you're really being told is the 26 year spike shows human caused warming, and matters, but the leveling some people can show graphically since 95, and the cooling since 2002, doesn't matter.

Myself I think the leveling and cooling we've seen recently does matter, because it's predicted by people who study stuff like ocean and solar influence. In other words natural influences have a larger forcing factor in this climate game than what we're being told by the global warming scare mongers.

In fact even the warmists are starting to grudgingly admit natural factors such as ENSO (El Nino, La Nina) matter. Look at the period of the warming spike - 71 to 98. Lots of El Ninos (warming). More than the usual.

Nobody has ever said that cycles of warming and cooling aren't normal. Sure it was warmer in the past just as it was cooler and at one point covered with volcanic rock and not a lick of evolved organisms.

The argument that it was warmer in the past does not mean that this current trend isn't being caused by humanity. It never ever takes into account that we have no knowledge of what the weather conditions (storms, sea levels, etc) were like and their impact on the sparsely human populated globe. Lets say it was much warmer then but that it produced frequent and intense storms that it made living in certain regions (like the carribean) virtually unihabitable for all but a few primitive tribal cultures and would be devestaing to the current inhabitants.

Its entirely possible and probable that warming trends are natural that doesn not eliminate the fact that humanity can and is shifting the curve or shigting the mean upwards. The natural cycle may be only responsible for a few degrees upwards but human caused factors may have intensified that trend disrupted it so that when it would normally start going down it won't.

The effect would be similiar to the disruption humans have had on countless food stock populations in a predator-prey relationship. In nature alot of these relationships maintain a relative balance but alot go through cycles where the prey gets whittled down by increased predator populations which then causes predator populations to decrease allowing a rebound in prey populations. Along comes humans which destroy that cycle and unless we consciously make a conservation effort (see the analogy) then their is a good chance of the prey (and predator) populations being rendered almost extinct.

A truly troubling dilemma is that sun-blocking particles such as sulphur dioxides mask the effect of heat retaining CO2 but those dioxides are true pollutants and cause a great deal of death through respiratory problems. We cannot count on them as an effective guard against the effects of increased CO2 and the CO2 crowd does itself no favours by not explaining that reduction of all gases is their focus as the recent evidence showing them ignoring excellent CO2 sink ideas that don't involve reduction of emission shows.

Again, while I'm not an alarmist I find it hypocritical that the anti-AGW crowd simultaneously argues that warming isn't happening and ice isn't melting in greater amounts at the same time as arguing that the warming that "isn't happening" actually began before humans started emitting CO2s in effect causing quantities and is therefore normal.