[Newsbot]

Title: Conservatives force early vote on massive crime bill
Category: Political
Posted By: Robair
Date: 2011-09-27 12:13:33
Canadian

[Robair]

Canada, minority rules here.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

NDP House leader Thomas Mulcair says New Democrats will move to have the most controversial aspects of the bill hived off for separate debate.

However he predicted the government will be "bloody-minded" about the bill and will use the guillotine of its parliamentary majority to cut off public debate.

Nice to see the whackjob has such a high opinion of the democratic process.

[Prof_Chomsky]

The fact our political system gives a majority government to a party that received a small minority of the vote is near criminal... and here come the results...

[ShepherdsDog]

Yet many that are bitching about this fact now, were completely satisfied when this worked in the Liberals favour.

[Regina]

This was standard procedure when King Jean was in power.......... but now there's bitching about it.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Regina Regina:

This was standard procedure when King Jean was in power.......... but now there's bitching about it.

Oh hell, of the 3 elections that the Libs won during their last reign, the last two they scored lower than the CPC did in this election.

Guaranteed though, the next Liberal gov't that gets a majority with less than 43% of the vote will obviously be seen as a clear cut mandate by any partisan left-tards. Just like the last one.

[Macguyver]

I'm just wondering why you guys are in support of this crime bill, with crime already down lately and the economy struggling, why do we want to lock more people up and pay for it out of your pocket?

I'd rather see schools get new basketball courts and community centers get cash for youth programs. That way you get kids playing sports and other activities instead of getting into trouble. It just seems odd that we are eager to lock people up instead of getting them into the workforce so that they can pay taxes.

[Regina]

Macguyver Macguyver:

I'm just wondering why you guys are in support of this crime bill, with crime already down lately and the economy struggling, why do we want to lock more people up and pay for it out of your pocket?

I'd rather see schools get new basketball courts and community centers get cash for youth programs. That way you get kids playing sports and other activities instead of getting into trouble. It just seems odd that we are eager to lock people up instead of getting them into the workforce so that they can pay taxes.

What parts of the crime bill do you have a problem supporting?

[peck420]

Regina Regina:

What parts of the crime bill do you have a problem supporting?

Overall, I like the protection of children and the releasing of violent offender names, etc.

When it comes to protecting the public and the victims...good.

But, there are certain aspects of the bill that are...questionable.

$1:

Additional penalties to combat serious and organized drug crimes, particularly when they involve youth, including increasing the maximum penalty for possession and production of drugs such as marijuana from seven to 14 years, factoring in security, health and safety concerns arising from marijuana grow-ops.

Is this going to be a Canadian version of the US drug laws? Didn't those laws work out well south of the border?

Edit to add: I am curious as to why they are 'getting tough on drugs' when, the CBC reports, that most drug crimes are falling. The most notable exception being cannabis possession, production, and distributution...which would be solved far faster by making it legal and taxing the bejebus out of it.

[bootlegga]

Regina Regina:

What parts of the crime bill do you have a problem supporting?

I do like some aspects of the bill, but for me it's the cost - projected at close to $3 billion a year, up from the $1.6 billion it was when Harper got elected in 2006.

$1:

Corrections Canada estimates the cost of the system will rise to $3 billion this fiscal year from $1.6 billion in 2006 when the Harper Conservatives took power.

So Harper is going to double the budget for Corrections Canada at a time when crime is the lowest its been since 1973?

For a government trying to balance the budget in what may turn out to be a double dip recession, as well as buy lots of necessary but very expensive equipment for the CF, it doesn't simply make sense to do this now.

[eureka]

I believe that the budget for Correctional Services this year is some $500 million higher than the previous year. Roughly a 20% increase to cater for the already introduced "tough on crime" measures.

The national rate of 1.62 homicides per 100,000 population in 2010 was the lowest since 1966.
The violent crime rate continued to fall in 2010.
Severe Non violent crime also recorded a continuation of its long term decrease.There is nothing in this Bill that is acceptable. Or, if there is, it would be separated out from the body that the Conservatives want to ram through.

Several billions will be spent on the barbaric ideological whims of a few in the CPC who would have thrived in Salem a few centuries ago. Around the world what the Cons propose has been proved to be wrong. Virtually every criminologist disagrees with this approach to crime.

The mentally ill,recreational drug users and FASD victims are the targets of this Bill as well as young people who stray.

[Zipperfish]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

NDP House leader Thomas Mulcair says New Democrats will move to have the most controversial aspects of the bill hived off for separate debate.

However he predicted the government will be "bloody-minded" about the bill and will use the guillotine of its parliamentary majority to cut off public debate.

Nice to see the whackjob has such a high opinion of the democratic process.

Tables turned. Remember the right-wing in the last Parliament when there was talk of the Coalition?

[Macguyver]

Regina Regina:

Macguyver Macguyver:

I'm just wondering why you guys are in support of this crime bill, with crime already down lately and the economy struggling, why do we want to lock more people up and pay for it out of your pocket?

I'd rather see schools get new basketball courts and community centers get cash for youth programs. That way you get kids playing sports and other activities instead of getting into trouble. It just seems odd that we are eager to lock people up instead of getting them into the workforce so that they can pay taxes.

What parts of the crime bill do you have a problem supporting?

All of it. You've got mentally ill people roaming the streets and the cops, who are supposed to be catching criminals, are babysitting them. Sorry, I don't think tougher sentences on drug dealers is going to get drugs off the street. It going to get cops killed, and bystanders.

Same thing with crimes against children - these heinous acts deserve punishment, but at some point punishing offenders effects the victims and places the offender in the position to escalate the offences in order to avoid punishment (i.e. police interaction - resisting arrest, eliminating witnesses (victims), this has all been seen before).

This bill does nothing to stop these problems at their root. It is not a cure, it is a treatment of the symptoms, which with today’s crime rates, is sort of a backward thing to do.

I’d much rather see preventative programs then punishment ones.

[OnTheIce]

Macguyver Macguyver:

This bill does nothing to stop these problems at their root. It is not a cure, it is a treatment of the symptoms, which with today’s crime rates, is sort of a backward thing to do.

I’d much rather see preventative programs then punishment ones.

IMO, We have two major problems relating to crime in this Country.

1. Mental Illness

2. Broken Families

We can't force people to take medication for their mental illness. Even those who know they are ill, don't take the proper medication.

Second, we can't force fathers to stay with their sons and mothers to stay with their daughters.

Prevention is great, but treatment is especially more effective on those with mental illness as you can force them into programs