[Newsbot]

Title: Arctic ice depleted by half in 6 years of \'drastic thinning
Category: Environmental
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2008-08-05 12:06:12
Canadian

[herbie]

Vancouver newspaper, German ship, someone from a University. Proves climate change is all BS...

[ziggy]

Christian Haas is an idiot.

I see he's still beaking off and getting grants,he should get a real job.

[C.M. Burns]

herbie herbie:

Vancouver newspaper, German ship, someone from a University. Proves climate change is all BS...

Says herbie, the nobody from nowhere

[C.M. Burns]

ziggy ziggy:

Christian Haas is an idiot.

I see he's still beaking off and getting grants,he should get a real job.

And what are you? A brain surgeon?
No, you dig in the dirt for a living.

[mtbr]

"Data gathered at ice level from as early as 1991 was also used to chart the longer-term decline of ice thickness, which the researchers say raises the possibility that "the Arctic sea ice cover has transitioned into a different climatic state where completely ice-free summers would soon become normal."

yup that's all the proof right there....since the earth is 17 years old

[Zipperfish]

Climate change, melting Arctic clearly linked: study

Excerpt from the August 1 National Post Article

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A provocative new study of the record-setting Arctic thaw that's unlocking the Northwest Passage and transforming Canada's polar frontier has, for the first time, drawn a clear connection between rising global carbon pollution and the retreat of sea ice.

Thinning sea ice concerns scientists

Excerpt from August 6 Montreal gazette article:

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The polar ice cap is not only losing vast swaths of surface area but is also experiencing a "drastic thinning" likely to reinforce its overall retreat, a new seven-year study of the Arctic's shrinking sea ice concludes.

The study, headed by University of Alberta ice expert Christian Haas, found reductions of ice thickness in the central Arctic Ocean of up 50 per cent between 2001 and 2007, as well as widespread replacement of heavier, older ice near the North Pole with weaker first-year ice.

'Land that never melts' is melting: Erosion probed in Nunavut park

Excerpt from this August 6 CBC article:

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"Auyuittuq means 'land that never melts,' but of course now it's melting," Pauline Scott, a spokeswoman for Parks Canada's Nunavut field unit, told CBC News on Tuesday.

No mention of AGW in the last one, but I found it indicative that an area that means"land that never melts" is melting!

[ziggy]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

ziggy ziggy:

Christian Haas is an idiot.

I see he's still beaking off and getting grants,he should get a real job.

And what are you? A brain surgeon?
No, you dig in the dirt for a living.

No I dont,I tell others where to dig or not to and how to reclaim it.
I have also been there and lived there so I like to point out some of the bullshit i see posted here.
Christian haas gets grants and i posted a topic about it a year ago when the whole arctic warming polar bears drowning thing was hitting a high note with folks like you who feel they have to point out every media article that trys to put the climate crisis on the blame of people who dont agree with you.

So Im not a brain surgeon and there isnt any in the arctic anyways so you dont see me commenting on brain surgery do you?

I stick to shit I know about and maybe you should to.

[ziggy]

Zip says

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No mention of AGW in the last one, but I found it indicative that an area that means"land that never melts" is melting!

and a new word was created when nunavut became a territory.
You have to understand that inuktitut language is very fluid.

Words are added to words to make a sentence,there is no set rule for their language and thats why a community 50 miles away will have a different dialect and it will take 4 days for a native to figure out what his nieghbours are trying to say without hand signs.

[Zipperfish]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

ziggy ziggy:

Christian Haas is an idiot.

I see he's still beaking off and getting grants,he should get a real job.

And what are you? A brain surgeon?
No, you dig in the dirt for a living.

Ziggy is (1) a smart guy, (2) tends to tell it like it is, and (3) lives in the area under discussion, so I attach a lot to what he has to say.

[ziggy]

When I fly up there next week I will be watching for Russian subs and muslim terrorists.

I better brush up on my french because incoming pilots mostly dont speak the english.

Makes for some interesting days. planes coming in when their not supposed to.

[C.M. Burns]

ziggy ziggy:

I stick to shit I know about and maybe you should to.

And telling people where to dig qualifies you as a climate scientist?

[C.M. Burns]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

ziggy ziggy:

Christian Haas is an idiot.

I see he's still beaking off and getting grants,he should get a real job.

And what are you? A brain surgeon?
No, you dig in the dirt for a living.

Ziggy is (1) a smart guy, (2) tends to tell it like it is, and (3) lives in the area under discussion, so I attach a lot to what he has to say.

Oh, fuck me!
Right, because he is 1), 2) & 3) he's qualified to call a climate scientist an idiot? He can refute the scientific data about sea ice 'cause he lives there? I'm sure he tends to tell it like it is - for him. We all do that.

Is your claim of Ziggy's intelligence enhanced by this witless criticism of a 7 year scientific study?

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I see he's still beaking off and getting grants,he should get a real job.

No, not much intelligence there.

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Christian Haas, Ph.D., Geophysicist, University of Bremen
Publications

* Bareiss, J., Willmes, S., Haas, C. (2007). New Data Set of Onset of Annual Snowmelt on Antarctic Sea Ice. EOS Transactions, 88(22), 237, 241
* Damm, E., Schauer, U., Rudels, B., Haas, C. (2007). Excess of bottom-released methane in an Arctic Shelf seapolynya in winter. Continental Shelf Research, 27 (12), 1692-1701.
* Papadimitriou, S., Thomas, D.N., Kennedy, H., Haas, C., Kuosa, H., Krell, A., Dieckmann, G.S. (2007). Biogeochemical composition of natural sea ice brines from the Weddell Sea during early austral summer. Limnology and Oceanography, 52, 1809-1823.
* Pfaffling, A., Haas, C., Reid, J.E. (2007). A direct helicoptr EM sea ice thickness inversion, assessed with synthetic and field data. Geophysics, 72, F127-F137.

Research area: Sea ice, Arctic, Antarctic, sea ice thickness, electromagnetic (EM) sounding, microwave remote sensing, climate change

Nevertheless, Ziggy's criticism (Haas is an idiot) is quite telling. Does this make him a 'smart guy'. Where's your proof that Haas is an idiot?

I googled Christian Haas polar bears drowning and found no quotes from Haas. Perhaps you have a link to the story, as you claim.

I did find this, though, about polar bears drowning:

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According to the new research, four bear carcases were found floating in one month in a single patch of sea off the north coast of Alaska, where average summer temperatures have increased by 2-3C degrees since 1950s.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 767459.ece

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It may be the latest evidence of global warming: Polar bears are drowning.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_pr ... 61214.html
from the Wall Street Journal - I guess they're idiots, too.

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On a trip this summer "We saw a couple of polar bears in the sea east of Svalbard -- one of them looked to be dead and the other one looked to be exhausted," said Julian Dowdeswell, head of the Scott Polar Research Institute in England.

He said that the bears had apparently been stranded at sea by melting ice. The bears generally live around the fringes of the ice where they find it easiest to hunt seals.

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The original source of the drowning polar bear story is a series of studies conducted by Charles Monnett and colleagues from the U.S. Minerals Management Service (MMS) out of Alaska which as been observing and counting polar bears on Alaska’s north shore for the past 30 years or so

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index ... lar-bears/

No mention of Haas anywhere!

What I did find, is ONE study, in which the scientists say that it is LIKELY that in that particular situation, the polar bears drowned. Others may have misquoted or exaggerated that statement.

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Spending more time in the open sea increases bears’ exposure to the risks of the effect of cold, exhaustion or rough seas. “Common sense tells you that if they have to swim 60 miles instead of 20, drowning is more likely,”

Ziggy's contribution to the debate is a stinking little turd - nothing more.

[C.M. Burns]

mtbr mtbr:

"Data gathered at ice level from as early as 1991 was also used to chart the longer-term decline of ice thickness, which the researchers say raises the possibility that "the Arctic sea ice cover has transitioned into a different climatic state where completely ice-free summers would soon become normal."

yup that's all the proof right there....since the earth is 17 years old

Idiot!
The quote that YOU yourself provided says, "... raises the possibility... "
And then YOU make your sarcastic remark about proof.

The only ones claiming PROOF about global warming exists are THE DENIERS!!!

By the way, excellent rebuttal of the study! Gosh, why haven't they given you a Ph.D.???
It boggles the mind

[Zipperfish]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

Ziggy's contribution to the debate is a stinking little turd - nothing more.

Maybe. I'm just saying he spends a lot of his time up there, whereas I don't. And I always found him to be a straight shooter so I listen. But on reconsideration, you're right--he's as dumb as a pile of rocks.