[spikereli]

i wonder, and i respect the russian army,,, but do they want to go to war over northern territory..... maybe a cut half way with the canadians and a lack of american influence would make us come to a comprimize..........

[Newsbot]

Title: Russia dismisses Arctic flag-planting, compares it to U.S. move on moon
Category: World
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2008-05-27 18:48:08
Canadian

[meaden24]

you respect the russian army, that's your frist mistake. secondly why would we just cut in half just to come to a pussy compromise. let me guess you're from quebec. If it's ours we take it.

[Deiwos]

Saying "A Russian scientific expedition" did this is similar to saying "A bunch of scientists from Canada" did it. It has the same political implications that would be had should I decide to get on a plane, fly to the United States, and drop a rustproof titanium Canadian Flag just off one of their shores.

[Canadian_Mind]

meaden24 meaden24:

you respect the russian army, that's your frist mistake. secondly why would we just cut in half just to come to a pussy compromise. let me guess you're from quebec. If it's ours we take it.

You should always respect your enemy and your potential enemy. Even in conventional warfare, the Russians could fuck us up. For one thing, their is alot more of them. For another, they have a much greater capacity to operate in the arctic than we do. We have a few hercs and a very small fleet of strategic lift, aswell as ski-doos. They've got hundreds of aircraft, some of the largest icebreakers in the world and a heavy fleet to follow, alot more boots on the ground, aircraft far more capable that our F-18s; and, from what i've already seen and been taught here in Gage, tanks thatwould likely fail compared to the Leo 2s, but would likely defeat the old Leo 1s and would fuck all our other land combat systems up... And they have alot more of them than we do. Think of them as the old shermans vs our Panzers in WWII. Same deal. Add to the fact that by Russian doctrine they'd likely just march them across the north pole... Not good. Remember, they are just as ice-hardened as we are, if nt moreso. We might be as cold as Siberia up north of 60, but we don't have as many people up there as russia had working the eastern mines.

Now, if we had some nice fat class ten icebreakers which could shoot down aircraft, sink ships and subs, and even engage land-based targets with either a missle or cannon weapons system, that would make for a nice piece of kit that would prevent the russians from ever coming close. Even pose a threat to their shoreline, which would make them think twice before attacking if their military bases were threatened from what is for them too the most weakly defended coast.


As for divying up, regardless of weather we go for continental shelf, or just split the arctic with evenly spaced borders between all the countries, simple land placement dictates that we will get the lions share of the arctic, about 35% of everything north of 60 degrees latitude, including the north pole.

America would get about 5%, same for Norway, the Danes 20%, and Russia also getting about 35%.

[C.M. Burns]

$1:

Arctic fantasies need reality check
Geologist knows risks of northern exploration
Gordon Jaremko, The Edmonton Journal
Published: Friday, April 04

EDMONTON - Geologist Robert Meneley knows all about visions of fabulous Arctic oil and gas treasure. He tried to make the dreams come true for Panarctic Oils, Petro-Canada and industry partners.

"It was brutal," he said in an interview, recalling lessons taught by polar drilling campaigns he led in the 1970s and '80s. "We never got a good surprise."
...
None of the finds could support multibillion-dollar production and transportation schemes required to put Arctic supplies on energy markets.

"It's a total mistake to make any kind of analogy with the U.S. Gulf Coast. It's an amateur's gimmick to try and make any comparison like that," Meneley said, adding that full records of the northern campaign's results are publicly available.

Oil- and gas-prone northern sedimentary rock layers are much older, and eons of earth crust movements left a legacy of fractured formations far more complex than the geological reservoirs of the Gulf of Mexico, he said.

"What you're dealing with is a leaky system," he said. In the Arctic, the tops of salt domes that elsewhere trap oil and gas deposits are exposed on the planet's surface and broken. They let their contents drain or evaporate away long ago.

Global warming, now seen as melting barriers to development by opening up frozen seas to ships, does not change the geology, he said. Nor is a thinner polar icecap a potential silver lining to southern greenhouse gas emissions, he warned.

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/n ... 4a&k=63243