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Title: Handgun used in Toronto mass shooting stolen during break-and-enter in Sask
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2018-07-27 00:19:23
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

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The data is consistent with a large-scale theft of guns in a single event, but Global News cannot confirm this. Media reports have suggested it was obtained illegally and was originally from the United States. A spokesperson for the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms had no information about the weapon or investigation.

Yet the headline screamed "Handgun used in Toronto mass shooting stolen during break-and-enter in Sask."

Let's muddy the waters even more by making contradicting claims about where the weapon originated and for the record just because it was "consistent with" a large scale theft doesn't mean it was "part of" a large scale theft.

I'd expect this type of yellow journalism from CBC but, now it appears to have migrated over to the twits at Global.

[BeaverFever]

Thte title just needs to say “Handgun used in Toronto mass shooting stolen during break and enter: source”

But does it really matter? It hardly pushes an agenda.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Thte title just needs to say “Handgun used in Toronto mass shooting stolen during break and enter: source”

But does it really matter? It hardly pushes an agenda.

Nope it's just shoddy journalism and sensationalism used to sell a story which is just about as bad.

[llama66]

It was initially reported it came from the US...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.4760344

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Thte title just needs to say “Handgun used in Toronto mass shooting stolen during break and enter: source”

But does it really matter? It hardly pushes an agenda.

Nope it's just shoddy journalism and sensationalism used to sell a story which is just about as bad.

Global has been dying a slow death for years. To try to get more eyeballs, they resort to clickbait like everyone else. Not as bad as The Sun chain, but getting there.

[martin14]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The data is consistent with a large-scale theft of guns

Maybe this will help.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3806457/mass ... ring-home/

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While executing a search warrant, officers seized 53 kilograms of the unidentified substance, 33 guns and other prohibited devices, such as overcapacity magazines.

Maisum Ansari, 33, of Oshawa was charged with 337 firearm-related offences.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/201 ... -says.html

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Last year brought another blow. Faisal’s older brother, Fahad Hussain, suffered a drug overdose last summer and as of January this year remained in a “vegetative” state at Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre, court records show.

Two years earlier, on July 24, 2015, Fahad was behind the wheel of a rented Hyundai Accent in Saskatoon when police boxed in the vehicle and arrested him and a 22-year-old female companion for allegedly selling crack cocaine.

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Prosecutors in Saskatchewan agreed to transfer the charges to Ontario, where Fahad, as a condition of his release, was ordered to reside at a Thorncliffe Park address with Faroq and Sutana Hussain.

Back in Toronto, in February 2017, police charged him with possessing ammunition — a shotgun shell — and failing to comply with bail conditions. He was released on Feb. 21 that year on $10,000 bail and ordered to live in Pickering with his surety, a 33-year-old named Maisum Ansari, court records show.

So the older brother is out running drugs and stuff... in Saskatoon.

Charges get transferred to Toronto, where his buddy amazingly comes up with
a whole bunch of drugs and guns.
Delivered by the older brother.

And one for the younger brother. At least.

[N_Fiddledog]

I originally saw the story on CTV but if you post a CTV story here you can't comment on it - or at least I can't so I look for other sources.

Here's the CTV version:

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The illegal semi-automatic handgun used in Sunday’s deadly rampage in Toronto’s Greektown that killed two people and injured 13 others was stolen during a break-and-enter in Saskatoon in 2015, a police source told CTV News.

A source familiar with the case told CP24 on Wednesday that the gun used by Faisal Hussain, the 29-year-old man who police claim carried out the shooting before dying of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, was likely obtained from a “gang-related source.”

The theft of the firearm used by Hussain occurred around the same time that Hussain’s brother Fahad, who is currently in a drug-induced coma, was arrested in Saskatoon on drug charges, court documents seen by CTV Saskatoon show.

In 2015, Saskatoon police stopped a rental car and found more than $2,000 in cash, as well as 26 pieces of crack cocaine packaged for trafficking.

Fahad and another woman were arrested and charged with possession for the purpose of trafficking and possession of the proceeds of crime.

Court documents seen by CTV Saskatoon show that he was released on $3,000 bail a few days later and subjected to a number of conditions, including that he not possess a cellphone, stay away from drugs and alcohol and live at an apartment building in Toronto’s Thorncliffe Park neighbourhood, where Hussain also lived.

Police sources told CTV News that they found both ammunition and high-capacity magazines during their search of the seventh-floor apartment after the shooting.

Fahad was slated to appear in a Saskatoon court for trial in 2017, but the file was later transferred to Ontario, where court documents seen by CTV Saskatoon show he was expected to plead guilty. Instead, prosecutors stayed the charges against him after an overdose left him in a coma in a hospital, where he remains today.

Police are also investigating a possible link between Fahad and the seizure of more than 30 guns in Pickering, Ont. last year.

The gun, which is illegal in Canada, was originally from the United States, police sources told CP24 on Wednesday, adding that American authorities are helping to track the gun’s exact origin.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/gun-in-da ... -1.4030454

I heard somewhere that the American connection is an American gun store. Sounds like the gun was legal in America but not in Saskatoon yet somehow made it up there to disappear in a B n E.

Faisal's brother was caught and charged with at least one B n E in Saskatoon. He's also connected to this guy, Maisum Ansari, who was charged with dope and illegal gun possession charges in Pickering in 2017.



Apparently the Saskatoon part originates with an anonymous source of CP24's.

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A source familiar with the case told CP24

[herbie]

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It was initially reported it came from the US...

Probably did. Are there any handgun manufacturers in Canada? Are there any gun manufacturers in Canada at all anymore? CCM still around?

[N_Fiddledog]

The impression I got was it originally came from an American gun store. I didn't get the impression it was shipped up by the manufacturer. Apparently it's illegal in Canada.

BTW, there was also a version of the story at the CBC but the way I remember it, it was all about apologetics for poor Faisal and his family and buildup for the great hero mayor of Toronto who promises to ban all guns in Toronto or something.

So fuck that...I settled for Global.

[Freakinoldguy]

After reading all the conflicting, contradictory and incomplete stories, I've come to the conclusion that none of these news outlets or their "sources" could find their own ass on a dark night with both hands which means, getting the truth out of them for this and other stories just isn't going to happen.

Maybe Global should just STFU till something is actually confirmed but then, they'd likely get scooped by one of those other yellow journalism sites who keep posting opinions, assumptions and blatant misrepresentations hoping the crap they throw at the wall finally sticks.

[N_Fiddledog]

If the gun was legal do you think that information would have come out yet?

If so, do you think we can conclude the gun was not legal?

That's where I am. I'm convinced these people in the restaurant district of GreekTown, Toronto were shot with an illegal gun by a Muslim guy from Thorncliffe park with gang connections.

So when Toronto Mayor, John Tory assumes he has a solution to the problem that demands stricter gun laws should we find that credible? What sort of gun laws would stop people from getting illegal guns to commit their crimes?

[N_Fiddledog]

I'm not a big, corporate or state-run media fan myself but I think the larger problem here is authorities are restricting or concealing details of this story that should be made public.