[Thanos]

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Thanos Thanos:

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i was outside all day today and i'm now pretty much convinced that everything gets dumber the hotter it is, so that's my theory on the south.

Pretty much explains the Middle East too.

i'm waiting for my research grant

The smart ones figured out how to make Operation: Mooch work to their benefit. The rest of us did the right thing and got fucked for it anyway.

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[rickc]

Thanos Thanos:

rickc rickc:

I was born and raised in the south....

I've never been to the South but I've met several people from the South. Compared to Albertans, and other Canadians in general, I was genuinely shocked by that innate kindness, hospitality, and decency those folks from the South that I met had in them. I actually genuinely think they're some of the best people in the world, as long as you keep religion, race, and politics out of it.

Yes they are kind. They have manners. They hold doors for people, they offer their seats to women and elderly on public transportation. They say ma'am. When they pull up in front of a home, they don't honk the horn. They go ring the doorbell. When they want to have a conversation with someone across the room, they walk across the room. They don't yell across the room: "HEY VINNIE, OVER HERE!!!". They don't block traffic to have conversations with people on the sidewalk. That said I think the vast majority of the people in the south have had it with this civil war mentality bullshit. We do not want a few rednecks giving the rest of us a bad name. We have had enough of being portrayed as simpletons in the media, and tv shows like the dukes of hazard. Thats why so many people are jumping on this take down the battle flag mania that is sweeping the south. It sucks that it took a tragedy to bring this to the forefront, but the vast majority of us want the past in the past. Look at how admirably Charleston, and the south has behaved following this incident. This murderer called for a race war. I do not see anyone accepting the invitation. Several black people were mercilessly gunned down by a white man. There has been no civil unrest in Charleston. No looting, no burning, no pillaging, Hell no violent demonstrations. As a southerner, I am proud of Charleston. Instead of the city tearing themselves to pieces, they have come together. That is the face of the south I want the world to see. Not some battle flag that was flown in the most divisive era in the country. What the people of Charleston are doing now is remarkable. We need a new flag that symbolizes that. That flag needs to fly at the statehouse.

[Thanos]

That's the real America I still have a bit of hope with.

[Jabberwalker]

Thanos Thanos:

rickc rickc:

I was born and raised in the south....

I've never been to the South but I've met several people from the South. Compared to Albertans, and other Canadians in general, I was genuinely shocked by that innate kindness, hospitality, and decency those folks from the South that I met had in them. I actually genuinely think they're some of the best people in the world, as long as you keep religion, race, and politics out of it.

Canadians living along the Atlantic coastline tend to be like that, as well. That this behavior is found among those living in the "older" part of the continent suggests that the cultural trait of being civil and polite has been lost by most of us along the way perhaps with later immigrations from places where civility doesn't count, as much. You may be looking at a remnant of 17th and early 18th century Britain that is mostly gone, now.

(The religion/race/politics thing is a little less pronounced in Atlantic Canada. Perhaps its because fewer of them have a gun nearby)

[PublicAnimalNo9]

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Delwin Delwin:

Guns are still the easiest, most common and accessable way of committing a mass murder in the US. I doubt the kid had any expertise in bomb making, access to biological weapons or a plane that he could have flown into the church. Or were you thinking an army of robots?

Ummm let's see, machete, throwing knives, any blunt object with some reach. Jam the doors shut and torch the place. I know it's the 21st century and all but you don't need to go all high tech to kill a bunch of people. Two assholes in Africa managed to murder around 2000 people in a matter of minutes by bulldozing the church they were taking shelter in some years ago. Crude but effective.

As for any expertise the kid may or may not have had with explosives, you don't need to be an expert to make a variety of explosive devices. Pipe bombs are relatively easy to make. And if you don't know how, the internet can show you how. ANFO is super easy to make. Hell, I knew how to make ANFO before there was such a thing as the internet.

Nonetheless, still made less dangerous by limiting firearms from the equation, dummy.

You... are a dumbfuck. Look at the countries with gun control. Where's all the muzzies in Europe getting their firearms from? They ain't getting them from local gun shops. In Canada we have gun controls as well. Hasn't stopped a single person from getting a firearm who wanted one badly enough. And gee, it's a good thing Norway has such strict gun controls or else someone could go nuts shooting and killing 69 people. Which by the way is more people than those killed by any single shooter in the US.
As for your dumbass statement, the worst individual mass murderers didn't use firearms. You would have to add up the 5 largest mass murders in the US by an individual with a firearm to equal the death toll of the arson attack on a Seoul subway station just a couple or so years ago.
Timothy McVeigh sure wasn't less dangerous without firearms either. Ted Kaczynski terrorized the entire US and managed to kill 3 and maim 23 others without firing a single shot.

And I can pretty much guaran-fucking-tee that if Shooty McGee had jammed the church doors and torched the joint instead, the situation would have NOT been anywhere CLOSE to being "less dangerous" for those inside.

[N_Fiddledog]

I get it Rick. You are a Southerner, and you have an opinion.

There are other Southerners though. Charlie Daniels of The Charlie Daniels Band (Devil Went Down to Georgia) is from North Carolina, and he also has an opinion. He seems to both agree and disagree with you.

$1:

“I have no desire to reinstate the Confederacy. I oppose slavery as vehemently as any man, and I believe that every human being, regardless of the color of their skin, is just as valuable as I am and deserves the exact same rights and advantages as I do.

I feel that this controversy desperately needs to be settled without federal interference and input from race baiters like Al Sharpton. It’s up to the individual states as to what they allow to be a part of their public image. What the majority of the people of any given state want should, in my opinion, be their policy.

Unfortunately, the Confederate battle flag has been adopted by hate groups – and individuals like Dylann Roof – to supposedly represent them and their hateful view of the races.

Please believe me when I say that, to the overwhelming majority of Southerners, the flag represents no such thing, but is simply a banner denoting an area of the nation and one’s pride in living there.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/355038- ... ntroversy/

As to the idea I as a Canadian need to be frightened of flaunting my accent anywhere in the south a Rebel flag flies, that's disappointing. I was planning to go to Nascar some day.



But yeah, people who fly flags in their home or business are often odd. Even up here.

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's some Yankee Right-Wingers in a panel discussion making some interesting points.



Basically, whatever the rebel flag was it's been co-opted by extremists.

One guy makes the point that in LA, students in some areas were forbidden from wearing LA Raiders jerseys to school because the symbols had been co-opted by gangs and wearing the symbols could be harmful to a student's health.

So they say, yeah take the symbol down from government grounds.

That's over-simplified, but basically that's it. If your symbol has been co-opted, a public facility may choose to disallow it.

I would say, OK, but they also make the point state law demands it needs a Bill from the state legislature, and that will take over 3 months.

So in the meantime you have Progressive sects like "Black Lives Matters" getting their members to do things like shinny up flagpoles with mountain climbing gear to take the flag down. And it isn't about the flag anymore. It's political. It's just another of the million and half ways Progressives have of ignoring the details to say "If you disagree with my politics 'SHUT UP'"

The south is seen as disagreeing with Progressive politics so every time they produce a symbol now admitting to the new Progressive crime of being from the south the demand is they must "Shut Up". This tactic will continue for as long as it continues to work.

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[N_Fiddledog]

$1:

state employees returned the flag to its position not long after the incident.

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article25652377.html

[herbie]

They're fucking beyond stupid....

[rickc]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I get it Rick. You are a Southerner, and you have an opinion.

There are other Southerners though. Charlie Daniels of The Charlie Daniels Band (Devil Went Down to Georgia) is from North Carolina, and he also has an opinion. He seems to both agree and disagree with you.

$1:

“I have no desire to reinstate the Confederacy. I oppose slavery as vehemently as any man, and I believe that every human being, regardless of the color of their skin, is just as valuable as I am and deserves the exact same rights and advantages as I do.

I feel that this controversy desperately needs to be settled without federal interference and input from race baiters like Al Sharpton. It’s up to the individual states as to what they allow to be a part of their public image. What the majority of the people of any given state want should, in my opinion, be their policy.

Unfortunately, the Confederate battle flag has been adopted by hate groups – and individuals like Dylann Roof – to supposedly represent them and their hateful view of the races.

Please believe me when I say that, to the overwhelming majority of Southerners, the flag represents no such thing, but is simply a banner denoting an area of the nation and one’s pride in living there.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/355038- ... ntroversy/

As to the idea I as a Canadian need to be frightened of flaunting my accent anywhere in the south a Rebel flag flies, that's disappointing. I was planning to go to Nascar some day.



But yeah, people who fly flags in their home or business are often odd. Even up here.

Hey Charlie is entitled to his opinion. If you have ever been to one of his shows, you know that he is not afraid to speak his mind. I like his music, and respect his opinions. One thing that I would disagree with him on would be his opinion that what the majority of the people of any given state want, should be their policy. That would be a democracy. The U.S. is a Republic It was intentionally set up that way to prevent the majority from running roughshod over the minority. If we were a democracy then we could just vote the blacks back into slavery, or ship them back to Africa. Hell the Muslims could all move to the least populated state and vote in a caliphate. They could vote in sharia law. Charlie needs to brush up on his civics classes, or remember his pledge of allegiance:....................and the Republic, for which it stands.......

You won't have to worry about the confederate battle flag at the nascar races, nascar said they want them gone from the sport yesterday.
http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/story/ ... ated-races
Little E (voted NASCAR's most popular driver 12 times) said it belongs in the history books. A sentiment shared by nascar chairman Brian France. He states that the flag is part of our history, not our future.

I will say that the banning of the flag by stores and ebay is getting carried away. This will lead to an underground market for a product that was not really in demand in the first place. Prices will go up. The flag will gain some kind of chic because it is being banned everywhere. Interest in the flag may increase if it is seen as taboo. I do not want the flag banned, or outlawed. I simply want it removed from all government facilities of any kind. Government is supposed to represent everyone equally. There was a case a few years back where a judge in Alabama displayed the ten commandments in his courtroom. This dragged on for years. It ended up costing him his job over his refusal to remove the ten commandments from his courthouse. I consider myself religious, but do not feel as though I have the right to impose my beliefs on others. Many people enter that courtroom. Many of other faiths, many are of no faith. This judge had no business bringing his religious beliefs into a court of law. Political party posters do not belong there, pro or anti union posters do not belong there. Pro or anti abortion posters do not belong there. People go there seeking justice, not to get politically indoctrinated by any side of any debate. We want Turkey to be strictly secular. We start freaking out when people in Turkey try to wear head dresses in government, or make any moves to inject the Muslim faith into the government. Yet we have people in America who think that it is perfectly acceptable to impose their religeous beliefs on others through the government. We can't have our cake and eat it too. Government needs to govern equally for all.

[N_Fiddledog]

rickc rickc:

Hey Charlie is entitled to his opinion. If you have ever been to one of his shows, you know that he is not afraid to speak his mind. I like his music, and respect his opinions.

One thing that I would disagree with him on would be his opinion that what the majority of the people of any given state want, should be their policy. That would be a democracy. The U.S. is a Republic It was intentionally set up that way to prevent the majority from running roughshod over the minority. If we were a democracy then we could just vote the blacks back into slavery, or ship them back to Africa. Hell the Muslims could all move to the least populated state and vote in a caliphate. They could vote in sharia law. Charlie needs to brush up on his civics classes, or remember his pledge of allegiance:....................and the Republic, for which it stands.......

Yeah, I didn't take American civics classes, so I have to get by with the little bits of knowledge I've been able to glean here and there.

As I understand it though, a Republic is a form of government where government is from the people through elected representatives as opposed to say a monarchy or the theatre of a Federal Constitutional Monarchy like what Canada has.

But within a republic we can have Federalism where the responsibilities of elected governments are split between Federal and states.

Now, the way I heard it, in America that all works by drawing on the 10th amendment, which I think says the Federal governs what's in the constitution. The states are supposed to deal with the rest, or something like that.

So if that is correct how is Charlie wrong when he says, " It’s up to the individual states as to what they allow to be a part of their public image."

How would a decision on what supplementary flags a state chooses to fly on the grounds of their legislature not be a state issue under the 10th amendment?

Is that not why they have to wait 3 months for the state legislature to meet and decide before they can take the flag down by law?

[GreenTiger]

There are some online shopping centers here that have stopped selling Confederate flag items because they, however you can buy hammer and sickle items as well as nazi swastikas. Something is wrong here.

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

You... are a dumbfuck. Look at the countries with gun control. Where's all the muzzies in Europe getting their firearms from? They ain't getting them from local gun shops. In Canada we have gun controls as well. Hasn't stopped a single person from getting a firearm who wanted one badly enough. And gee, it's a good thing Norway has such strict gun controls or else someone could go nuts shooting and killing 69 people. Which by the way is more people than those killed by any single shooter in the US.
As for your dumbass statement, the worst individual mass murderers didn't use firearms. You would have to add up the 5 largest mass murders in the US by an individual with a firearm to equal the death toll of the arson attack on a Seoul subway station just a couple or so years ago.
Timothy McVeigh sure wasn't less dangerous without firearms either. Ted Kaczynski terrorized the entire US and managed to kill 3 and maim 23 others without firing a single shot.

And I can pretty much guaran-fucking-tee that if Shooty McGee had jammed the church doors and torched the joint instead, the situation would have NOT been anywhere CLOSE to being "less dangerous" for those inside.

Holy Christ, are you seriously trying to claim that gun crimes and mass killings in Canada and European countries are as common as in the US? And regarding your claim that in Canada, Gun control 'hasn't stopped a single person' from getting a firearm: Really??? Here's a tip you can use to improve your next online argument: if someone challenges you on a baseless claim you just pulled out of your ass, you probably shouldn't try to prove it with another baseless claim pulled out of your ass. Your idiotic argument is that basically "gun control countries don't' have absolute zero gun crime, therefore gun control has no effect" which is just a testament to what a lazy mind you have.

Which is only slightly less stupid and unintelligible than the other argument you're making, which is that since guns aren't the only means by which large numbers of people have been killed, they're not dangerous???