[martin14]

andyt andyt:

Britain's Labour Party called for the resignation of the police commissioner in the town, a member of its own ranks, after the report found that "collective failures," led to inaction.

Shawn Wright.

Paid up long time member of the Labour Party.

Was the Rotherham Council Member from 2005-2010 for Children's Services...............................................................


So who is front and center in the cover up ?



Labour made this call AFTER the Home Secretary said, after UKIP said, after the Lib Dems said.



Wright's reaction ?

Since he is now the Police Commissioner, he is in an excellent position to try and derail any investigation that is coming.
Of course he has refused to resign from the job.


He has however resigned from the Labour Party.

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"We can't say that Rotherham is any better or worse than other places because the information simply doesn't exist at a national level to tell us that," she said.

So that could mean every Northern town will have on average at least 1400 cases of child exploitation per 250,000 people.
Remember the 1400 is a 'conservative estimate'.


That should send a real shiver down your spine.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

"Muhbeen Hussain, founder of Rotherham Muslim Youth Group, told the Daily Mirror on Wednesday that Muslims are disgusted that justice was not done in Rotherham.

'Race, religion or political correctness should never provide a cloak of invisibility to such grotesque crimes,' he said."

I'm confused though.

First you're telling us this widely known phenomena of Muslim grooming gangs doesn't actually exist in the UK, based on some weaselly sounding claim that it's not real, because your basic pimp has been known to do something similar.

OK, but now you seem to be saying, "Yeah, it's real, but it's OK, because there's a Muslim guy who objects to it."

[ccga3359]

andyt andyt:

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Pretty much yes I am saying this is unique to Pakistani moslems in Britain. 95% of grooming gangs are Pakistani moslems raping white adolescent girls. That is 19 out of 20 grooming gangs. That is a clear pattern. White girls, as young as 11 years old, all under 16 groomed and coerced in to prostitution to be used not only the Pakistani moslems themselves but also paying customers, the vast majority, you guessed it, Pakistani moslems. In places like Peston, Derby, Oxford, Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford. From there taken to places like Bradford, Leeds, London. To places with large Pakistani moslem populations to be sold to mostly Pakistani moslem men for sex. Except for one, read ONE gang of pasty faced Anglican Englishmen (of which I happen to be a pasty faced non-practicing C of E Englishman, fuck you very much). Vulnerable children preyed on in depressed areas of Britain, and yes in a country that is very much ruled by the politically correct climate of the day. The failure to act should be a wake up call to all.

I have trouble accepting that as accurate. How is it in England the vast majority of men who buy sex with underage girls are Muslim, when in other countries the vast majority are non-Muslim as are the pimps? Are the English Anglicans really that much purer in deed than their cousins in Canada or the US, say? It's not adding up to me. Every country has this scourge, yet for some reason in yours it's somehow confined more or less to Pakistani Muslims.

As I've said on more than one occasion grooming gangs are but one aspect of child rape. It is also one aspect of prostitution. I have no doubt that Britain is rife with organized crime prostitution rings run by white, black whatever colour Britons and even independent prostutes. The article and topic of discussion is specific to this area and involves girls as young as 11 and targeted for being white for Pakistani moslem clients. My views of prostitution are pretty lax when between consenting adults. But when preteen and teenaged girls are raped and abused in this way I'm absolutely abhorred regardless of the colour of their skin or religious beliefs. it would bother me still if it were underaged moslem girls being abused just as I am at FGM.

[martin14]

BF and andy should read this, before they keep posting and making fools of themselves.
Yasmin Alibhai Brown


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 92497.html

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The report by Professor Alexis Jay into child sexual exploitation in Rotherham is both appalling and yet strangely reassuring. Professor Jay, who is clearly committed to justice and equality for all, has produced her findings without fear or favour. This is new and rare, and I welcome it. Most of the perpetrators were described as “Asian” by the young victims, some only 11 years old.

White experts and officers have for too long been reluctant to confront serious offences committed by black and Asian people. Such extreme tolerance is the result of specious morality, that credo that says investigating such crimes would encourage racism or enrage community activists and leaders, or, worse, make the professionals appear racist. So, instead of saving children who were being gang raped, drugged, assaulted, threatened and terrorised, they chose to protect rapists, abusers, traffickers and drug dealers. And themselves.

I don’t need to state the obvious, but I will. Only a small minority of Asian men are hunting and hurting white girls. Grooming gangs are made up of all races and classes. That said, the Rotherham report will, I hope, stop the apologists and silence their usual denials and pretexts. I mean the anti-racists, academics and time serving public service workers who have been defensive and unwilling to condemn what they should.

I can imagine what the talk will be among Asians in Rotherham today. Good people of course will feel shame. Lots, however, will not, and instead will blame the system or the victims – young girls from disadvantaged backgrounds who were lured with cheap gifts and false affection. Such children are seen as trash, low life, by their rapists as well as the authorities, including the police.

The perpetrators are not paedophiles in the normal sense of the word. Racial and cultural odium as much as ugly lust and power drives them to abuse. Most of them are also irreversibly misogynist. It is a lethal mix, this sexist psychopathy.

I partly blame their families and communities. Too many Asian mothers spoil their boys, undervalue their girls, and demean their daughters-in-law. Within some British Asian circles, the West is considered degenerate and immoral. So it’s OK to take their girls and ruin them further. Some of the most fierce rows I have ever had have been with Asian women who hold these disgusting views.

I ask them to think what they would feel if gangs of white men took out their girls, gave them presents, took them places, and then seduced, beat and passed them around. The men might say they were rescuing the girls from oppression, showing them a good time, saving them from a life of forced marriage and all that.

What then, if white Britons tacitly supported and excused the criminals? Well, comes the answer, that's not the same thing. But it is, it is. I tell them about at least three young Asian girls who have thus been entrapped and exploited. “That is their fault. They have become English, so of course these things happen to them.” What to do in the face of such attitudes?

Yes, racists will have further ammunition after this report. Blame those who did what they did, not those who are brave and just enough to expose them. I will always fight for the rights of minorities. But I will not defend the indefensible

Just remember 'Asian' is the British PC word for Pakistani Muslim.

They try to muddle the waters, by saying 'Asian' includes everything from Afghanistan to Burma, including Sikhs and Hindus in India.

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's an interesting blog post on Rotherham.

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The Rotherham Council dithered, despite having a very good idea of what was going on, for fear of being labeled racist, as "a majority" of the men accused were "Asian", i.e. Muslim. The thing is, in that case, is that the councilors are the very people themselves who would have cried racism. Take a look: the Rotherham Council is almost entirely Labour. (Two Conservatives, although there are a few UKIP members, undoubtedly late additions.) So they didn't stay silent out of fear; no, they themselves are the very ones who would have done the accusing. They stayed silent because it suited their leftist, nation-busting ideology. And please note that no one on the council or the police is facing any disciplinary action whatsoever.

Also, a majority of the perps were Muslims. How much of a majority? I'll take a guess and say that it approaches 100%.

This was the same city council of Rotherham that removed three foster kids from their foster parents because the latter had voted UKIP.

http://mangans.blogspot.ca/2014/08/rotherham.html

What's even more fun though are the reader comments at the bottom. That's where the real action is. They're brutal. They want those Labor party council members charged for treason and up against the wall for summary execution. They're so pissed they're ready to vote UKIP.

[BartSimpson]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

They're so pissed they're ready to vote UKIP.

Good news, that.

[andyt]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

First you're telling us this widely known phenomena of Muslim grooming gangs doesn't actually exist in the UK, "

Please go back and find the quote where I said that.

[andyt]

martin14 martin14:

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I don’t need to state the obvious, but I will. Only a small minority of Asian men are hunting and hurting white girls.

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Grooming gangs are made up of all races and classes.

Thanks for reinforcing the points I have been making.



Since I got spanked for posting the question in a separate post, I will ask it here. Your usual first post on this sort of topic is "isn't multiculturalism wonderful." So what, besides that asinine comment, do you have to offer as a solution? If you could, what would you do about this wonderful multiculturalism?

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andyt andyt:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

First you're telling us this widely known phenomena of Muslim grooming gangs doesn't actually exist in the UK, "

Please go back and find the quote where I said that.

andyt andyt:

ccga3359 ccga3359:

Pretty much yes I am saying this is unique to Pakistani moslems in Britain. 95% of grooming gangs are Pakistani moslems raping white adolescent girls. That is 19 out of 20 grooming gangs. That is a clear pattern. White girls, as young as 11 years old, all under 16 groomed and coerced in to prostitution to be used not only the Pakistani moslems themselves but also paying customers, the vast majority, you guessed it, Pakistani moslems. In places like Peston, Derby, Oxford, Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford. From there taken to places like Bradford, Leeds, London. To places with large Pakistani moslem populations to be sold to mostly Pakistani moslem men for sex. Except for one, read ONE gang of pasty faced Anglican Englishmen (of which I happen to be a pasty faced non-practicing C of E Englishman, fuck you very much). Vulnerable children preyed on in depressed areas of Britain, and yes in a country that is very much ruled by the politically correct climate of the day. The failure to act should be a wake up call to all.

I have trouble accepting that as accurate. How is it in England the vast majority of men who buy sex with underage girls are Muslim, when in other countries the vast majority are non-Muslim as are the pimps? Are the English Anglicans really that much purer in deed than their cousins in Canada or the US, say? It's not adding up to me. Every country has this scourge, yet for some reason in yours it's somehow confined more or less to Pakistani Muslims.

[andyt]

Wow, I thought you were someone who could debate intelligently. In that quote you pulled up of mine, where do I say that these gangs don't exist, as FD claimed?

What I say is that both grooming gangs and customers are not only found among Muslims. This is backed up in what I quoted from Martin, where that writer says exactly the same thing. To reiterate:

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I don’t need to state the obvious, but I will. Only a small minority of Asian men are hunting and hurting white girls.

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Grooming gangs are made up of all races and classes.

Can you really not differentiate between saying that this is by far not exclusively a Muslim or Pakistani phenomenon and saying that Muslims and Pakistanis never do this?

Unbelievable.

[ccga3359]

A view from a Pakistani moslem: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... hrive.html

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

martin14 martin14:

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I don’t need to state the obvious, but I will. Only a small minority of Asian men are hunting and hurting white girls.

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Grooming gangs are made up of all races and classes.

Thanks for reinforcing the points I have been making.

Except he didn't say that. Did he?

He quoted an "Asian" lady writing in a newspaper. You tried to make it look like Martin said it. Not only didn't Martin say it, you perverted the context of the one who did say it. More pointedly, what she said was this.

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White experts and officers have for too long been reluctant to confront serious offences committed by black and Asian people. Such extreme tolerance is the result of specious morality, that credo that says investigating such crimes would encourage racism or enrage community activists and leaders, or, worse, make the professionals appear racist. So, instead of saving children who were being gang raped, drugged, assaulted, threatened and terrorised, they chose to protect rapists, abusers, traffickers and drug dealers. And themselves.

And then you want to blubber out a claim of me supposedly misquoting you. And you want me to make the effort of going through your posts to show you evidence of you saying something that's immediately obvious to anyone who's been following this conversation.

Yeah, good luck with that. I'll tell you what though. I'm feeling generous, so blubber about it for awhile longer. I'll give you what you're asking for but, I like to hear a little more whining before I make one of you guys look even sillier by honoring those kinds of 'research the obvious for me' requests.

[ccga3359]

andyt andyt:

Wow, I thought you were someone who could debate intelligently. In that quote you pulled up of mine, where do I say that these gangs don't exist, as FD claimed?

What I say is that both grooming gangs and customers are not only found among Muslims. This is backed up in what I quoted from Martin, where that writer says exactly the same thing. To reiterate:

$1:

I don’t need to state the obvious, but I will. Only a small minority of Asian men are hunting and hurting white girls.

$1:

Grooming gangs are made up of all races and classes.

Can you really not differentiate between saying that this is by far not exclusively a Muslim or Pakistani phenomenon and saying that Muslims and Pakistanis never do this?

Unbelievable.

You have trouble accepting fact. Grooming gangs are predominantly Pakistani and moslem. 95% of grooming gangs are just that. We are not taking a couple of gangs we are taking close to 20 gangs known in Britain. Each gang fronted roughly by a half dozen or more Pakistani and yes moslem men. Plying their trade amongst mostly Pakistani moslem men. These are verifiable facts yet you cannot or will not accept that. Is every moslem of Pakistani origin guilty of child molestation and rape? Of course not. Is pedophilia a trait only found in moslems of Pakistani decent? Absolutely not, it I widespread over all races, religions in Britain and around the world. if you want to look at pedophilia as a whole in Britain look no further than the Jimmy Savile and Cyril Smith scandals. Both white, both known and both swept under the carpet with hundreds of victims each. This whole thread is about grooming gangs in Britain, nothing else. How is it that you fail to see the problem, the pattern when so many have offered you fact upon fact? This ignorance like yours is the root of the problem being exposed for today. It is as if you would victimize those young girls over again.

[ccga3359]

Still more news: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mbers.html

[andyt]

Then explain to me why in Britain these gangs are almost exclusively Pakistani Muslim, yet they are not in other countries? Since the push seems to be on to link this to being Muslim and or Pakistani, how is it that they are neither in other countries?

What I've read of the links on this thread, I don't believe you. We are hearing about Pakistani Muslim gangs because of the scandal that nothing was done about them. But for sure you have Eastern Eurpean gangs doing the same thing, as well as local Anglicans. It just doesn't get the coverage.