[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Like it or not andy, sometimes you have to "out-asshole" the assholes.

Then you're just the bigger asshole.

No. There is such a thing as a situational asshole.

[2Cdo]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Like it or not andy, sometimes you have to "out-asshole" the assholes.

Then you're just the bigger asshole.

No. There is such a thing as a situational asshole.

Been one myself on a few occasions.

[Unsound]

bambu bambu:

Watching, monitoring, looking into...next minute a young soldier is hacked to death and beheaded on the streets of London.

Doing is what's required.

Agreed, we need to get out there and arrest and torture anyone who hangs out with bad guys or looks at bad guys or listens to bad guys or in any way arouses our suspicions. Maybe if we put cameras in everyone's house we could find these guys even quicker and put a bullet in them?

Or maybe everyone's house is going too far? Maybe just the muslim homes?

[Lemmy]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I'm curious what kind of justice system you are proposing and I'm not sure why you'd end at these guys. How about all the others who kill? Are you proposing summary execution for anyone who kills another? Where are your arcs of fire here?

I'm proposing a justice system that is just. Yes, I'm a supporter of capital punishment. If we disagree, fundamentally, on that point then I guess we must agree to disagree. Neither of us is likely to be converted. I'm also a libertarian and, of course, I support the protection of individual rights. But ones rights can be forfeited in a just society.

I'm not suggesting we adopt summary conviction. It's not summary conviction, is it, if we have incontrovertible evidence? And I think that execution should be reserved for heinous acts of cruelty. Few cases seem as cut and dried as this one to me. There's no need to presume the slippery slope you're fearing.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I'm curious what kind of justice system you are proposing and I'm not sure why you'd end at these guys. How about all the others who kill? Are you proposing summary execution for anyone who kills another? Where are your arcs of fire here?

I'm proposing a justice system that is just. Yes, I'm a supporter of capital punishment. If we disagree, fundamentally, on that point then I guess we must agree to agree. Neither of us is likely to be converted. I'm also a libertarian and, of course, I support the protection of individual rights. But ones rights can be forfeited in a just society.

I'm not suggesting we adopt summary conviction. It's not summary conviction, is it, if we have incontrovertible evidence? And I think that execution should be reserved for heinous acts of cruelty. Few cases seem as cut and dried as this one to me. There's no need to presume the slippery slope you're fearing.

+5 because I was able to

[maldonsfecht]

Apparently the two decided to attack the first responders...
This video shows a man charge a female officer, dropping one knife
to bring another one to bear before he is shot at the last moment
through a police car window by an armed officer.

The other killer aims his gun and is taken down by a second team.

Here's how it came to an end...

WARNING: Adult Imagery

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-watch-shocking-video-1907772

Here's to the Police for taking this trash down effectively.

[saturn_656]

maldonsfecht maldonsfecht:

Apparently the two decided to attack the first responders...
This video shows a man charge a female officer, dropping one knife
to bring another one to bear before he is shot at the last moment
through a police car window by an armed officer.

The other killer aims his gun and is taken down by a second team.

Here's how it came to an end...

WARNING: Adult Imagery

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-watch-shocking-video-1907772

Here's to the Police for taking this trash down effectively.

Nice shooting.

[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I'm curious what kind of justice system you are proposing and I'm not sure why you'd end at these guys. How about all the others who kill? Are you proposing summary execution for anyone who kills another? Where are your arcs of fire here?

I'm proposing a justice system that is just. Yes, I'm a supporter of capital punishment. If we disagree, fundamentally, on that point then I guess we must agree to disagree. Neither of us is likely to be converted. I'm also a libertarian and, of course, I support the protection of individual rights. But ones rights can be forfeited in a just society.

I'm not suggesting we adopt summary conviction. It's not summary conviction, is it, if we have incontrovertible evidence? And I think that execution should be reserved for heinous acts of cruelty. Few cases seem as cut and dried as this one to me. There's no need to presume the slippery slope you're fearing.

$1:

Legal rights and the justice system are for human beings. Anyone who'd perpetrate such an act doesn't qualify. Shoot, kill, dispose of, move on.

As a matter of fact, I thoroughly support capital punishment. Your post, however, strongly suggests summary conviction and execution. There is no slippery slope to fear. You leapt to the bottom without the slide job.

[Lemmy]

Okay then, you lay it out for me. Step by step, how should this case be handled? How should it progress? What is its just conclusion?

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Okay then, you lay it out for me. Step by step, how should this case be handled? How should it progress? What is its just conclusion?

Justice is when the conclusion isn't known before the progress takes place. Do you support shooting Vincent Lee? The facts, as can best be determined have to come out in a proper trial. That's what civilized countries do. So this case should progress as any other criminal case, it should follow the law. Lay out for me how you would change the law to take this case into account.

I disagree with the death penalty, but that's another matter. But for Christ's sake don't let these douche bags make you support summary "justice" or kangaroo courts. That is exactly what they want.

[Thanos]

I'd give them all the Vlad Tepes treatment myself, just to serve as a warning to the others to knock it off with their bullshit routine.

Reality is that eventually one of them is going to do something so awful in an American or European city, with some kind of a mass death-resulting incident, that the first domino will fall and the rest will rapidly follow. It's an inevitability and anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves. The Muslims living in the West are the only ones that can stop this. If they don't then events will unfold as they must.

Inter arma enim silent leges (and then Hell comes to Earth)
-Cicero

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Okay then, you lay it out for me. Step by step, how should this case be handled? How should it progress? What is its just conclusion?

Justice is when the conclusion isn't known before the progress takes place. Do you support shooting Vincent Lee? The facts, as can best be determined have to come out in a proper trial. That's what civilized countries do. So this case should progress as any other criminal case, it should follow the law. Lay out for me how you would change the law to take this case into account.

I disagree with the death penalty, but that's another matter. But for Christ's sake don't let these douche bags make you support summary "justice" or kangaroo courts. That is exactly what they want.

Well, if Vincent Li had then beckoned everyone watching to take video and pictures you'd have a point. Vince Li was also by himself. What are the odds that two off-medication schizophrenics would be on the same bus together thinking to themselves, "Hmmmm, meals on wheels."?
These shit stains wanted to be martyred, so martyr them. Let them enjoy the disappointment of discovering the 72 virgins waiting for them are all nerdy males playing Dungeons and Dragons.

[andyt]

How about we do more than flip a coin, instead we investigate the case properly, bring charges as deemed appropriate and have a trial based on the evidence put forward? You know, like civilized people do. If an incident like this is enough to make you throw away all the advances we've made as civil societies, then we're not much of one, are we?

[Wolf1412]

Have never really been suprised at how many want to stoop to the same level as these shit heads. Knee jerk reactions based on revenge are exactly what these fanatics want. This growing fear of Islam will only result in reprisals against the moderate/liberal Muslim which will end up increasing the resentment between each group and only assist in Jihadist recruitement.

Whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Hindu these are just common criminals and should be treated as such. The son of Sam said he was acting under the direction of his neighbors dog is he a Canine jihadist? Remove the titles and call it what it is. Miss guided, uneducated, ignorant, bottom of the food chain common criminals. Yes they need to be junished accordinly but death at the hands of the infidal is is exactly what they want why give them that. Lock them up on a stricked diet of pork chops and beer and forget about them.

You want the problem solved send the entire back woods, burka supporting, suicide bombing, acid throwing, Allah Akbar screaming bunch back to their shit hole countries. Cut off all international support, trade, information, communication and let them do what the hell they want with the strict caviet that they stay within their borders. Steping one foot outside of their Dark Age feudal shitholes or attempt to cause issues to other democratic or other peace enjoying nation would result in an immediate double tap to the head without fanfare and their bloated corpse being tossed back accross the border.

Europe went through it a 1000 years ago. Give them time and they will learn to play nice with the rest of us or cease to exsist and become just a footnote in history.

[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Okay then, you lay it out for me. Step by step, how should this case be handled? How should it progress? What is its just conclusion?

Really? You need me to layout that they should be given due process under the law and if found guilty, executed in Gunnairland?

Wow,