[Chumley]

Scape Scape:

And about that service record:

$1:

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

When the communist learned that McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals. That equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat.

Well, 3 or 4 days is generally considered a pretty good length of time to hold out before giving up information. Anyone in a role where there is a good chance of getting captured shouldn't have any knowledge more lasting than that.

A nation who found out they had a valuable prisoner would do the same regarding him getting special treatment. Wouldn't do to have the Pacific commanders son die before you could use him as a bargaining chip.

As for the medals, well, the Americans give them out for just about anything you do anyways.

[ridenrain]

Boy... I bet if Hillary would take care of her lost sister in Africa..
Then again, considering how difficult Obama's wife finds living within their budget, I suppose there's simply nothing to spare.

Maybe the Democrats could send some money over to help.. or at least a big plasma screen so he can watch.

[BartSimpson]

Joe Biden was the worst pick for Barry's VP. He has such a quotable history of being one of the most ideological and polemic liberals in the Senate - it's almost as if Barry wants to lose the election and he chose the worst guy possible. I was figuring on Hillary for a unity ticket or maybe an obscure midwestern Democrat to temper the liberal elitism quotient on the ticket. But no.

President John McCain. Get used to it.

[Wada]

Maybe he don' want NO help.

[Zipperfish]

Liberal elitism? Wasn't it in the paper last week that John McCain doesn't even know how many houses he owns? I mean, that's fine--the guy's so successful he doesn't even know how much he has. Frankly, I'm envious. But it does kind of kill the the "elitist" attack angle for Obama.

There's still lots of ups and downs yet before election day. I think this one is too close to call at this point.

[Wada]

Looking at George Bush one might think that the Yanks give more thought to who represents them at the olympics than they do in choosing a president.

[roger-roger]

Anyone else see this, if you have sorry, but if you haven't its hillarious.

[Wada]

and the Blackberry endorsements - oh my.

[Scape]

Regina Regina:

Based on the statements made on that web site there would be no reason what so ever to ground him.

No claim was made about grounding him, only that he was bottom of his class and lost 5 plains.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Liberal elitism? Wasn't it in the paper last week that John McCain doesn't even know how many houses he owns? I mean, that's fine--the guy's so successful he doesn't even know how much he has. Frankly, I'm envious. But it does kind of kill the the "elitist" attack angle for Obama.

There's still lots of ups and downs yet before election day. I think this one is too close to call at this point.

The liberal elitism charge for Barry is not my own, it's just what's being said about his is all. The guy complains about the price of arugula at the health food store and has complained about the cost of private schools and dancing and piano lessons for his kids. Not exactly the kinds of statements that endear you to the blue collar, public school supporting Democrats.

McCain being wealthy does not make him an elitist - in my own experience wealth and elitism are two different things. Poor people can be elitists.

I really am being objective here, Obama has unfortunately acquired an image and it is hurting him in the polls. No Democrat has ever been tied in the polls in August and won the election.

Had he gone with someone other than Biden he could have had someone to balance the ticket between his own hard left politics and the more moderate wing of the Dem party. Instead he went with the other hard lefty in the Senate.

Don't forget that McCain is and has been the darling of the media and the Democrats for a long time - and now they are running against their own message in running someone against McCain. McCain started out in this race with excellent PR from the Democrats and the media who pushed him as the moderate Republican and now they are trapped with him defined as moderate in their own words while their guy is a hard lefty with a well-known lefty as his running mate. It'll have very little effect on Republican votes, but enough of an effect on moderate Dems that they may easily bolt and go with McCain whom their own party has labeled as safe and moderate for years.

Biden is a poor strategic choice and more likely a choice the party leadership forced on Barry as opposed to a choice that he made himself.

[CommanderSock]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Liberal elitism? Wasn't it in the paper last week that John McCain doesn't even know how many houses he owns? I mean, that's fine--the guy's so successful he doesn't even know how much he has. Frankly, I'm envious. But it does kind of kill the the "elitist" attack angle for Obama.

There's still lots of ups and downs yet before election day. I think this one is too close to call at this point.

The liberal elitism charge for Barry is not my own, it's just what's being said about his is all. The guy complains about the price of arugula at the health food store and has complained about the cost of private schools and dancing and piano lessons for his kids. Not exactly the kinds of statements that endear you to the blue collar, public school supporting Democrats.

McCain being wealthy does not make him an elitist - in my own experience wealth and elitism are two different things. Poor people can be elitists.

I really am being objective here, Obama has unfortunately acquired an image and it is hurting him in the polls. No Democrat has ever been tied in the polls in August and won the election.

Had he gone with someone other than Biden he could have had someone to balance the ticket between his own hard left politics and the more moderate wing of the Dem party. Instead he went with the other hard lefty in the Senate.

Don't forget that McCain is and has been the darling of the media and the Democrats for a long time - and now they are running against their own message in running someone against McCain. McCain started out in this race with excellent PR from the Democrats and the media who pushed him as the moderate Republican and now they are trapped with him defined as moderate in their own words while their guy is a hard lefty with a well-known lefty as his running mate. It'll have very little effect on Republican votes, but enough of an effect on moderate Dems that they may easily bolt and go with McCain whom their own party has labeled as safe and moderate for years.

Biden is a poor strategic choice and more likely a choice the party leadership forced on Barry as opposed to a choice that he made himself.

McCain is a closet liberal anways. Who-ever wins this election Americans should be a little better off. I know a bit about McCain, and truthfully, I can't beleive this man is even a "Republican". There's nothing republican about him. He's in the Paul Martin mould.

[hwacker]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

$1:

CommanderSock, you know Obama was accussed of having indulged in drugs and homosexual liasions in the back of a limo.

Not to worry, you can be next in line.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbd_1201056512

Hahaa, accused, hahaaa,

Obama was accused of being Muslim, Gay, Terrorist (fist jab), etc etc. Nothing has been left out. It's the shittiest shit, I've ever shat.


ps
fyi:
Everyone indulges in drugs. I'm drinking a drug at work right now. It's a really nasty drug, but I put sugar and milk in it to make it taste tolerable.

Why did biden ask him if he got an AIDS test ?

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Liberal elitism? Wasn't it in the paper last week that John McCain doesn't even know how many houses he owns? I mean, that's fine--the guy's so successful he doesn't even know how much he has. Frankly, I'm envious. But it does kind of kill the the "elitist" attack angle for Obama.

There's still lots of ups and downs yet before election day. I think this one is too close to call at this point.

The liberal elitism charge for Barry is not my own, it's just what's being said about his is all. The guy complains about the price of arugula at the health food store and has complained about the cost of private schools and dancing and piano lessons for his kids. Not exactly the kinds of statements that endear you to the blue collar, public school supporting Democrats.

McCain being wealthy does not make him an elitist - in my own experience wealth and elitism are two different things. Poor people can be elitists.

I really am being objective here, Obama has unfortunately acquired an image and it is hurting him in the polls. No Democrat has ever been tied in the polls in August and won the election.

Had he gone with someone other than Biden he could have had someone to balance the ticket between his own hard left politics and the more moderate wing of the Dem party. Instead he went with the other hard lefty in the Senate.

Don't forget that McCain is and has been the darling of the media and the Democrats for a long time - and now they are running against their own message in running someone against McCain. McCain started out in this race with excellent PR from the Democrats and the media who pushed him as the moderate Republican and now they are trapped with him defined as moderate in their own words while their guy is a hard lefty with a well-known lefty as his running mate. It'll have very little effect on Republican votes, but enough of an effect on moderate Dems that they may easily bolt and go with McCain whom their own party has labeled as safe and moderate for years.

Biden is a poor strategic choice and more likely a choice the party leadership forced on Barry as opposed to a choice that he made himself.

well, I'm not quite as objective as you, but I am much more objective than the last election. As stated previously, I'm just ecstatic that Bush is gone, and I'm sure either or McCain or Obama will do a much better job with a much lower body count.

So far, it's been a good campaign, in large part due to the class of the contenders, in my humble opinion.

I disagree that "moderate Democrats" will be swayed much towards McCain (or moderate Republicans swayed towards Obama). I said earlier that I just don't see a lot of middle ground in American politics right now, which is an outcome of letting political extremists rule the air waves for the last few years. That's created a deep rift between left and right and not a lot of people in the middle.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, I'm not quite as objective as you, but I am much more objective than the last election. As stated previously, I'm just ecstatic that Bush is gone, and I'm sure either or McCain or Obama will do a much better job with a much lower body count.

I'm content with Bush being gone, too. I won't say 'ecstatic' as the past 100 years have shown Democrats in charge when the big bloodshed goes on with the USA. Obama may be inclined to get all Rambo on someone somewhere just to prove his bona fides and McCain, well, who knows?

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

So far, it's been a good campaign, in large part due to the class of the contenders, in my humble opinion.

Hmmm. Myself I find the campaign disappointingly vanilla.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I disagree that "moderate Democrats" will be swayed much towards McCain (or moderate Republicans swayed towards Obama). I said earlier that I just don't see a lot of middle ground in American politics right now, which is an outcome of letting political extremists rule the air waves for the last few years. That's created a deep rift between left and right and not a lot of people in the middle.

On those political extremists ruling the airwaves be sure to note that the left controls the television and movie induistries and the right controls AM talk radio.

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