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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:00 am
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
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No, it isn't. This turd is being lionized in the media as if he were a saint when he managed to go to the front of the line for a liver transplant that a cancer patient should never have qualified for in the first place. Of course, his money had nothing to do with that.

My question is this: who was the person on the transplant list who died so Steve Jobs could buy a few more months of life?

THIS!

I'm sick of people making this guy out to be fucking Jesus. His company makes mediocre products at an excessive price and capitalizes on the stupid.


Yeah, Steve Jobs was a brilliant guy, but he was also a jerk at times. Look at what he did to Wozniak or how he refused to accept that his daughter was his own (at one point even claiming he was sterile 8O).

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/technolo ... 30955.html

Not to mention Apple's shady activity in China. As far as I'm concerned, Apple takes dirt cheap hardware, jacks the price up, puts a very very restricted OS on it, and puts it in a shiny case. That's the Business model.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:01 am
 


Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:
I don't think Apple is the be-all-end-all of computer products some people seem to think it is. That being said it would be incredibly silly to discount the contributions Steve Jobs and his companies have made to the world of technology over the years. The ideas and the innovations he's inspired or pioneered will continue to be with us for years to come.

I'm curious, what are some of Apple's contributions? There certainly are some, but I wonder how many people fall for Apple's hype.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:04 am
 


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Jobs' liver transplant is exactly the reason many Canadians want nothing of privatized health care - because as you noted - the wealthy get health care and the poor don't.

I'll take our system - where everyone gets the same level of treatment - over the US system where the wealthy get the best health care in the world and everyone else gets whatever scraps are leftover.


No, in your system the wealthy can afford to come to the USA for treatment while everyone else waits in line. As one of your courts said the reducto absurdium was in one of your provinces where the effective wait time for prenatal care had been pushed out past ten months.

Jobs abused our system and few people called him on it, mostly because the reporters all work for news media that depend quite heavily on Apple Corporation advertising dollars that were controlled by Jobs. :idea:

So when you're all celebrating the 'Occupy Wall Street' protesters maybe you might want to keep in mind that Steve Jobs and his massive, multi-national corporation that abuses its workers is exactly what many of thse folks are protesting.


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He didn't abuse it. He used it to his advantage.
Anyone would.

Bitch at your system. The system allows for people who can afford to get better treatment than people who cannot afford it.

Don't even bring up "wealthy Canadians who come to the US for care". First, that is totally of topic, and second, again, bitch at YOUR system that allows it. change your system, close the borders, whatever. Don't blame the wealthy who can take advantage of that system.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:31 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Jobs' liver transplant is exactly the reason many Canadians want nothing of privatized health care - because as you noted - the wealthy get health care and the poor don't.

I'll take our system - where everyone gets the same level of treatment - over the US system where the wealthy get the best health care in the world and everyone else gets whatever scraps are leftover.


No, in your system the wealthy can afford to come to the USA for treatment while everyone else waits in line. As one of your courts said the reducto absurdium was in one of your provinces where the effective wait time for prenatal care had been pushed out past ten months.

Jobs abused our system and few people called him on it, mostly because the reporters all work for news media that depend quite heavily on Apple Corporation advertising dollars that were controlled by Jobs. :idea:

So when you're all celebrating the 'Occupy Wall Street' protesters maybe you might want to keep in mind that Steve Jobs and his massive, multi-national corporation that abuses its workers is exactly what many of thse folks are protesting.


The wealthy in the US can (and do) fly to Switzerland/France also - that makes no difference to me one way or another. Frankly, I don't care if a handful of wealthy Canadians do fly to the US for treatment, just like I don't really care if a few Americans come here for flu shots or to buy prescription drugs.

What matters to me is getting good health care that doesn't force me to sell my home or declare bankruptcy to do so. Your complaining about Jobs taking advantage of your own medical system, but that abuse is EXACTLY why most Canadians will never allow privatized health care in our country.

Frankly, I don't see why you're bitching at all - isn't that the whole point of living in the US? People get whatever health care they can afford (in Jobs' case - the absolute best) and who gives a rats ass if 40+ million have zero medical insurance, right? After all, is it abuse to use one's own resources to fight a disease? Most Americans would probably say no.

It's a purely cultural difference IMHO - in the US, the individual is king, while up here, in some cases, society takes precedence over the individual. And health care is definitely one of those cases where the individual takes a back seat to society.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:35 am
 


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I don't think Apple is the be-all-end-all of computer products some people seem to think it is. That being said it would be incredibly silly to discount the contributions Steve Jobs and his companies have made to the world of technology over the years. The ideas and the innovations he's inspired or pioneered will continue to be with us for years to come.

I'm curious, what are some of Apple's contributions? There certainly are some, but I wonder how many people fall for Apple's hype.


Design and Interoperability for starts. Apple always worked with other Apples, even when they went from Motorola to IBM to Intel processors.

From the first iMac and G4 they were brilliant looking, and smartly designed for use and repairing. Cubes were innovative, the Macbook and Mac Air are still hard to beat. People with original iPods can still use them, and they still are working and work with iTunes just as they always have. And they were brilliant in the round style touch interface, and then the touchscreen.

Macs were also famous for their ability to syncronize what you saw on a screen to what was produced from a printer. Everything from colour hue and saturation to placement and quality were exactly what was on a screen to what was printed on paper - regardless of the type of paper. For those that know the problems - it's very hard to do.


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Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:
I don't think Apple is the be-all-end-all of computer products some people seem to think it is. That being said it would be incredibly silly to discount the contributions Steve Jobs and his companies have made to the world of technology over the years. The ideas and the innovations he's inspired or pioneered will continue to be with us for years to come.

I'm curious, what are some of Apple's contributions? There certainly are some, but I wonder how many people fall for Apple's hype.


I didn't say apple in particular, I said Jobs. But the first few were apple.
He helped to pioneer the birth of the pc industry and for that alone he has my thanks.

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In the late 1970s, Jobs—along with Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, Mike Markkula[6] and others—designed, developed, and marketed one of the first commercially successful lines of personal computers, the Apple II series.


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In the early 1980s, Jobs was among the first to see the commercial potential of Xerox PARC's mouse-driven graphical user interface, which led to the creation of the Macintosh.


He wasn't the only one since Amiga and Atari both had GUI driven machines at roughly the same time but Apple was in there. Many innovations in user friendly design and functionality have come out of apple over the years. Jobs/apple may not have been the first to create them but his products have has some of the better implementations of them. Mac has a long history as PC of choice in the graphics and design industry.

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Jobs is listed as either primary inventor or co-inventor in 338 US patents or patent applications related to a range of technologies from actual computer and portable devices to user interfaces (including touch-based), speakers, keyboards, power adapters, staircases, clasps, sleeves, lanyards and packages.


He's had his hand in a lot of pies including his work with Pixar which was initially supposed to be a high-end graphics hardware developer and evolved into one of the most well known computer animation studios in the world.

Was he perfect? No, but who is.


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
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Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:
I don't think Apple is the be-all-end-all of computer products some people seem to think it is. That being said it would be incredibly silly to discount the contributions Steve Jobs and his companies have made to the world of technology over the years. The ideas and the innovations he's inspired or pioneered will continue to be with us for years to come.

I'm curious, what are some of Apple's contributions? There certainly are some, but I wonder how many people fall for Apple's hype.


Design and Interoperability for starts. Apple always worked with other Apples, even when they went from Motorola to IBM to Intel processors.

From the first iMac and G4 they were brilliant looking, and smartly designed for use and repairing. Cubes were innovative, the Macbook and Mac Air are still hard to beat. People with original iPods can still use them, and they still are working and work with iTunes just as they always have. And they were brilliant in the round style touch interface, and then the touchscreen.

Macs were also famous for their ability to syncronize what you saw on a screen to what was produced from a printer. Everything from colour hue and saturation to placement and quality were exactly what was on a screen to what was printed on paper - regardless of the type of paper. For those that know the problems - it's very hard to do.

Agreed with all but the macbook and mac air.


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Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:
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Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:
I don't think Apple is the be-all-end-all of computer products some people seem to think it is. That being said it would be incredibly silly to discount the contributions Steve Jobs and his companies have made to the world of technology over the years. The ideas and the innovations he's inspired or pioneered will continue to be with us for years to come.

I'm curious, what are some of Apple's contributions? There certainly are some, but I wonder how many people fall for Apple's hype.


I didn't say apple in particular, I said Jobs. But the first few were apple.
He helped to pioneer the birth of the pc industry and for that alone he has my thanks.

$1:
In the late 1970s, Jobs—along with Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, Mike Markkula[6] and others—designed, developed, and marketed one of the first commercially successful lines of personal computers, the Apple II series.


$1:
In the early 1980s, Jobs was among the first to see the commercial potential of Xerox PARC's mouse-driven graphical user interface, which led to the creation of the Macintosh.


He wasn't the only one since Amiga and Atari both had GUI driven machines at roughly the same time but Apple was in there. Many innovations in user friendly design and functionality have come out of apple over the years. Jobs/apple may not have been the first to create them but his products have has some of the better implementations of them. Mac has a long history as PC of choice in the graphics and design industry.

$1:
Jobs is listed as either primary inventor or co-inventor in 338 US patents or patent applications related to a range of technologies from actual computer and portable devices to user interfaces (including touch-based), speakers, keyboards, power adapters, staircases, clasps, sleeves, lanyards and packages.


He's had his hand in a lot of pies including his work with Pixar which was initially supposed to be a high-end graphics hardware developer and evolved into one of the most well known computer animation studios in the world.

Was he perfect? No, but who is.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:46 am
 


The Nexus Prime and Ice Cream Sandwich announcement has been delayed out of respect for Jobs.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Nexus-Prime ... 12802.html

Classy as fuck Google.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:28 pm
 


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You're dodging the question.

Fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Touch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N95

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_Pearl

All comparable to the first iphone. The Nokia especially, considering it had functions the iPhone still doesn't have.

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Its capabilities include[1][2]: a Global Positioning System receiver with maps and optional turn-by-turn navigation; a 5 megapixel digital camera with Carl Zeiss optics, flash, video recording and video conferencing; wireless connectivity via HSDPA, IrDA, 802.11x and Bluetooth; a portable media player with the ability to download podcasts over the air; a FM Radio tuner; Composite Video output via included cable; multi-tasking to allow several applications to run simultaneously; a web browser with support for HTML, JavaScript and Adobe Flash; messaging via SMS, MMS and e-mail; Office suite and organizer functions; and the ability to install and run third party Java ME or Symbian mobile applications.


This phone was out the year before the iphone, and was doing more than the 3gs 2 years later.



I was working international wireless care for AT&T when those products went live. Every one of those products had great hardware and shit software. I really loved the BB with the scroll wheel and I even owned the Nokia myself but the Iphone still was doing more in one package of more consumers and not just the high end ones because of the software, itunes, and the app store. Something symbian, blackberry and HTC failed at abysmally.

Honestly, the more I read your posts it occurs to me that the real issue here is not Jobs, Apple or their product lines. It's the media and their reaction to Jobs and Apple. Jobs could sell and knew how to work the media and they just went ga-ga over him just like they do Palin so i can understand your resentment here. I don't think apple products are sacrosanct either but their engineering standards are customer focused and they were the 1st company to really emphasis that. For that at least Jobs should have his accolades.


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Jobs could sell and knew how to work the media

You don't have to have a good product to be a good salesman...


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:38 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
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Jobs could sell and knew how to work the media

You don't have to have a good product to be a good salesman...


Quite true. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:34 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
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Jobs could sell and knew how to work the media

You don't have to have a good product to be a good salesman...

You're implying some sort of similar relationship between Jobs and Apple products? Try another because if you are, you're so off-base it's ridiculous.
Perhaps you're confusing major PC brand name sellers? Where there is NO consistency, ZERO quality control and every single part and process geared towards cheap?
I have three older Ford pickups rusting away when "Quality is Job One" so I understand the sentiment of your comment.

I've been in the field as long as both Jobs and Gates. I sell and fix PCs for a living, but at home I use Macs. When I do servers and webwork I use Linux.
It makes one look foolish to argue Macs are overpriced because you can't afford one.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:36 pm
 


It's also true that you don't have to be much of a salesman when the products seem to sell themselves.


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