[MeganC]

Gunnair Gunnair:

You have some examples of this?

About 13 million of them.

https://www.google.com/#q=wrongful+termination+gay

[peck420]

Gunnair Gunnair:

That's fine, my give a fuck factor for your mood is now noted.

Gays getting preferential treatment likely means they are approaching equality.

Get the fuck over it.

Nice to know that you are part of the problem.

Do you think this is the first cultural shift in human history? Don't tell me you are dumb enough to have not recognized the pattern...

Culture finds problem. Culture enacts knee-jerk reaction. Cultural shift goes past the point of initial intention. Culture endures corrective shift (9 times out of 10, violent).

5,000+ years...and still no change.

What is that good old saying? Repeating the same and expecting different...insanity.

[Zipperfish]

peck420 peck420:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Right. It's government's role to ensure an environment exists where discrimination is legal. You're a few decades out of your comfort zone then.

It is also the government's role to do that fairly for all citizens...which is where they fall flat on their face, every time.

The group du jour always gets preferential treatment.

Adn the group du jour, just to be clear, is old white men.

[Gunnair]

peck420 peck420:

Gunnair Gunnair:

That's fine, my give a fuck factor for your mood is now noted.

Gays getting preferential treatment likely means they are approaching equality.

Get the fuck over it.

Nice to know that you are part of the problem.

Do you think this is the first cultural shift in human history? Don't tell me you are dumb enough to have not recognized the pattern...

Culture finds problem. Culture enacts knee-jerk reaction. Cultural shift goes past the point of initial intention. Culture endures corrective shift (9 times out of 10, violent).

5,000+ years...and still no change.

What is that good old saying? Repeating the same and expecting different...insanity.

Gays slowly coming to a point of having equal rights is a knee jerk reaction? Stop being a whiny retard.

Any over compensation that you can scratch up is easily deflected by continued state level discrimination as most recently seen and defeated so far on Arizona.

[Gunnair]

MeganC MeganC:

Gunnair Gunnair:

You have some examples of this?

About 13 million of them.

https://www.google.com/#q=wrongful+termination+gay

Link doesn't t work.

[peck420]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Adn the group du jour, just to be clear, is old white men.

The group du jour is the group du jour.

20 years ago it was old white men.
10 years ago it was "Eastern Immigrants".
Today it is homosexuals.

Tomorrow it will be...who knows? Which political party can benefit the most from a "disenfranchised group".

[peck420]

Gunnair Gunnair:

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Gays slowly coming to a point of having equal rights is a knee jerk reaction? Stop being a whiny retard.

Slowly? The problem is that we don't do slowly. We do knee-jerk, right here, right now, no consideration for how this will effect anything outside of our 4 year term, policy decisions.

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Any over compensation that you can scratch up is easily deflected by continued state level discrimination as most recently seen and defeated so far on Arizona.

Or it could be indicative of policies that are designed and pushed through counter the wishes of the governed population.

[westmanguy]

Some days, I get tired of reading about my sexual orientation being in the top stories, every, damn, day. But I get it. Its the struggle to achieve equality and its increasingly good news. I just dream of the day in 10 years or so this is a bloody non-issue, and a NFL (hopeful) player like Michael Same being gay is hardly reported. Because who gives a damn?!?

Still, we have millions of intolerant people still. The pace of change in the U.S. on the issue of gay rights and same-sex marriage has been breath taking in the last 10 years. Fundamentalist Christians are seeing their grip of control evaporating before their eyes.

We're in the midst of the crazy period where in the dawn just before this is legally put to rest, were gonna see a racketing up of insane rhetoric from far-right conservatives.

Progress is never pretty. But the U.S. South is getting dragged into the 21st century whether they like it not. Just like in 1967 when interracial marriage bans were finally struck down.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Come on Gunnair you bloody well know about our harmful knee jerk reactions that western society has. Look at those uppity blacks, they started getting preferential treatment by being allowed to drink at white fountains and sit with whites. Now they can marry non-blacks and vote! If we would have just slowed things down and thought about it.... fuck I cant do this any more.

Peck420 homosexuals just want to be treated like everyone else, a 30 year old white homosexual wants to have the same rights as a 30 year old white heterosexual. If your fucking 'religious values' cant cope with that then you gonna have to change your fucking outlook on life. People had the same idea in the 30's and 20's, and eventually they got over their ignorance and we were able to make strides to a unified society. It is perfect? No, but I would rather have a society where someone is 'uncomfortable' providing a service for someone, than having someone ostracized because of who they bring to bed.

[Zipperfish]

peck420 peck420:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Adn the group du jour, just to be clear, is old white men.

The group du jour is the group du jour.

20 years ago it was old white men.
10 years ago it was "Eastern Immigrants".
Today it is homosexuals.

Tomorrow it will be...who knows? Which political party can benefit the most from a "disenfranchised group".

I'm pretty convinced that a big reason for the lurch rightward in Canada is that the controlling demogarphic is old babby boomers, and old people tend to be conservative. Sure the various causes make lots of noise, but ultimately don't have all that much power.

[ShepherdsDog]

All the old hippies sold out??

[Gunnair]

peck420 peck420:

Gunnair Gunnair:

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Gays slowly coming to a point of having equal rights is a knee jerk reaction? Stop being a whiny retard.

Slowly? The problem is that we don't do slowly. We do knee-jerk, right here, right now, no consideration for how this will effect anything outside of our 4 year term, policy decisions.

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Any over compensation that you can scratch up is easily deflected by continued state level discrimination as most recently seen and defeated so far on Arizona.

Or it could be indicative of policies that are designed and pushed through counter the wishes of the governed population.

Knee jerking into equality.

Go back to 19th century and gestate your colossal pout there.

[westmanguy]

Sorry for the necro.

Just read an interesting article (only one month old) in The Telegraph. Just for the Bart's of the forum who insinuate homosexuality as a "choice". Also the research is pretty damn fascinating:

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Last year Canadian scientists found that the more older male siblings a man has, the greater change he will be gay.
They believe that the immune response produced by a pregnant mother increases with each son, increasing the odds of producing more feminine traits in the developing brain of the foetus.

Each older brother raised the odds that a man was homosexual by one third.

More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... finds.html

They're still studying to see how much more correlated our genetics are (which it seems to be leading to suggest they're only a *contributing* factor). But for gay men the male ordering theory makes a ton of sense. Think about it. How often is the first born male gay? It happens, but I bet most gay people you know have a (or multiple) older brother(s). The pregnant woman's body reacts to a male fetus as somewhat of a "parasite" and "attacks" with different hormones that "feminize" the fetus thus increasing the likelihood of homosexuality. Each additional male pregnancy results in the woman's body launching the hormones quicker and with more intensity.

Also, its not in this article, but I remember reading that the *age* of the mother is a factor too. The older the woman is when she gets pregnant, the more likely the male fetus will be feminized in the womb.

I know it makes sense for me being gay as my mom was 38 when she had me and I have one older brother.

This leads to a few conclusions:

1) Its not a coincidence that many gay men come from religiously devout families. Religiously conservative families, on average, have more kids. Therefore, they're more likely to have multiple sons and the chance of the youngest or a younger son of being gay.

2) It is possible the % of gay men could increase in the coming decades as the Western world and feminism has resulted in woman giving birth much later in life in their late 30s and sometimes early 40s.

I just find the continued research fascinating. It also just makes so much sense from personal experiences. All but two of the gay guys I know have older brothers...the feminization of sexual attraction in the womb is probably the largest contributing factor.

[ShepherdsDog]

more gay men being born, means more opportunities for those males born hetero......bonus

[BeaverFever]

Getting back to the OP:

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Make no mistake, though: many evangelical Americans are standing with them, chequebooks open and cheering just as lustily for the new law.

Uganda, for these American zealots, represents an oasis of religious freedom, a refuge from a West that they see as promiscuous and increasingly unwilling to accommodate their extreme religious beliefs.

They are watching Uganda accomplish what many of them wish America had maintained — the criminalization of gay sex.

Looks like the NYT called it....four years ago:

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Americans’ Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push

By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
Published: January 3, 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html