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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:37 pm
 


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I'm going to listen to the NDPs Nathan Cullen speak tonight.


He's good. A lot of politicians can be pretty dull, but every time I've seen Cullen speak (on TV, never seen him live) he's entertaining. He's no Henry Rollins, but I think you'll enjoy it.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:54 pm
 


Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:
Making university less expensive to everyone makes it more accessible to everyone. Making it more expensive makes it less accessible.

Saying that you can offer lower tuition rates for those with less money doesn't work...you end up with a two tiered education system where the best universities and the best teachers are only available to those with the most money and a select few from the middle and lower classes who happen to fit the profile the elites are looking for. That's pretty obvious by the way the education system in your chosen country works.

Even in a relatively equitable public education system, we see more and better resources going to the wealthy than to the poor. The result is that kids from the inner city don't get the same education as kids in the wealthy suburbs. That gets worse when you get to the post-secondary level, with wealthier people being more likely to go to university and the less wealthy to community college or straight into the work force. Since education dictates earnings to a large degree, that pattern becomes generational.

Conservatives bitch that the poor don't make themselves rich, but the reality is that the deck is stacked against you if you aren't born into a family with at least a moderate amount of wealth.

Your idea, like most of your ideas, is inherently elitist, Toro.


It seems that way to you because you don't understand them. FFS, what I'm proposing is far more egalitarian and progressive, but unsurprisingly, because it comes from an Evil Right Wing Forum Guy, it escapes you. You're defending a bad policy simply because its NDP policy. What you are saying is that someone from a family who makes $300k should be allowed in for free, and that's just ridiculous. Its an egregious transfer of wealth to a member in the wealthy income strata. Its insane that the cost for someone for someone living in Rosedale would be zero, the same as someone from Jane and Finch.

Perhaps you don't know how universities accept people, but when you apply, income is NOT a determining factor on whether one is accepted (with the exception of legacies and donors, an unfortunate but not an overwhelming occurrence). If you are poor and you have good grades and evidence of extra-curricular activities, you will generally be accepted into university. Universities can offer bursaries, grants and scholarships to students from poor families and offset those costs by increasing costs for families from higher incomes.

Your example is of poor neighborhoods receiving poor education is a bad analogy to post-secondary education because the quality of the institution is not dependent upon its location within the province. Queens is not going to stop being Queens because they charge more for rich kids and less for poor kids.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:32 pm
 


Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:
$1:
I'm going to listen to the NDPs Nathan Cullen speak tonight.


He's good. A lot of politicians can be pretty dull, but every time I've seen Cullen speak (on TV, never seen him live) he's entertaining. He's no Henry Rollins, but I think you'll enjoy it.


He spoke well enough in 2003 to win my vote away from the Libs. I didn't think there were many other Blue Democrats.
Performed well enough to win it again last time, and has a lock on it this time.
Tonight with only a sacrificial lamb for the Liberal candidate and a small audience, he gave quite an enlightening talk on the inner workings of Parliament.
What was interesting to note was the composition of the audience, and the way they reacted to him. A BIG chunk of the moneyed, former hard-core Tory support was there and they know how popular he is. A noteable chunk of them are abandoning support of the CPC and BC Liberals over their softwood stance.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:39 am
 


its a good idea Toro, I understand what you mean, subsidized college for low/middle income, the government can recoup the monies spent via taxes, much like they do in several European jurisdictions.


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