[stokes]

OK Let me clarify something, I never said I wished for Dion to Die, all I said was that it would be better for the Liberals if he wasnt around, because he has no hope of being PM. Wait lets keep him!!!

Also as a Westerner born and raised, I am tired of Eastern (Quebecois) PMs. Joe clark was our last and he got screwed. Then 23 years of continous Quebecois PM's.

The west needs more say. to feel as we have been heard, as it stands right now the election is decided before it gets to Manitoba. Well maybe not with a minority but with a majority you can bank on it.

Yeah I really hate the freakin Liberals, NDPers and the BLoc...Deal with it!!!

[stokes]

The only reason we ever bagged on Chretien and Martin for sending us there, was because we were sent in under equipped. A lot of members of the Military have had it with always doing Peacekeeping, Being shot at but cant shoot back, trust me they all wanted to go to Afghanistan from day one.

But

Due to years of military cut-backs we had neither the Personell or the equipment for such a mission.

Thats why I hope the LPC never again comes to power......because they talk but they never walk!

[stokes]

Where did use the term " I WISH"....never nowhere didnt do it.

You can think I did but if you know how to read from all of your time at Liberal school you would not see those words anywhere!!!

Yeah I hate Dion, he is weak and he is a weasel but that does not equal me saying he should die.


So having said that quit making more out of this than what it is...PURE HATE FOR EVERYTHING EAST OF MANITOBA!!!!

[DerbyX]

stokes stokes:

The only reason we ever bagged on Chretien and Martin for sending us there, was because we were sent in under equipped. A lot of members of the Military have had it with always doing Peacekeeping, Being shot at but cant shoot back, trust me they all wanted to go to Afghanistan from day one.

But

Due to years of military cut-backs we had neither the Personell or the equipment for such a mission.

Thats why I hope the LPC never again comes to power......because they talk but they never walk!

Like anything other then a large scale deployment would have been acceptable.

Lets say nothing about the fact that the troops are using the Liberal bought LAV-IIIs to great affedct and teh equipment they hated most was the Iltis jeeps, a PC purchase.

Lets not forget that the lack of desert cammos was the responsibility of the military as they don't need a federal OK to buy desert cammo instead of forest cammo.

Lets not forget that Martin was the first PM who put major money towards the military and Harper is mearly follwoing his example.

lets not forget the very reason why we can afford to put money towards the military, the very reason that Harper is receiving accolades on other threads, namely the wisdom to pay down the debt.

Lets not forget that the PC party was the most agregious offender in terms of debt accumulation and subsequent military depletion.

[sasquatch2]

This is more funny than Penn and Teller's invisible thread....watching the LPC and DERBY flailing about attempting damage control. Futile!!!!

HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA

GIGGLE!!!!!!!!

[DerbyX]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

This is more funny than Penn and Teller's invisible thread....watching the LPC and DERBY flailing about attempting damage control. Futile!!!!

HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA

GIGGLE!!!!!!!!

Says the dumb fuck who posted that Canada didn't have any troops in Afghanistan before the Iraq invasion or that the US asking for CDN assistance in Iraq was a Liberal dream.

Thast not even counting every single erroneous post you have made concerning every verifiable fact concerning Afghanistan.

On your tricycle yetiboy.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Ya, I'm sure. You guys didn't support Chretien or MArtin on this mission. All you did was attack them for sending in the military ill-equiped at the same time as attacking them for not sending us into Iraq.

At no time did you or anybody who voted for the CPC stand up and say "I support the Liberals and their decision".

BUSTED!

$1:

ridenrain - 2006-03-16, 02:43:25
Post subject: Honest praise for Paul Martin - AStan.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If this is the actual plan behind the Canadians in A-Stan, then Paul gets my Approval. This is based on this in the Western Standard.

Quote:
The engagement embodies Ottawa's relatively new "3-D" approach to international engagements--diplomacy, defence and development.
The approach was formally enunciated in the former Liberal government's International Policy Statement, made public April 19, 2005. You might have missed the announcement that day, since it was the same day the Vatican elected the new pope, overwhelming all other news coverage. But the policy, and its Afghan manifestation, are of paramount importance to Canadian foreign policy. Indeed, the Afghan mission, and a similar 3-D engagement with Haiti, mark the first big tests of an international policy that, if successful, will set an expensive and risky template that could last for decades.
The lack of public awareness notwithstanding, Canada's role in Afghanistan has been growing since shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Canadian troops (most famously, members of the elite Joint Task Force 2) fought in the American-led war to oust the al Qaeda-friendly Taliban from power. Canada was also a signatory to the Bonn Agreement of December 2001, designed to help reconstitute a government in Afghanistan. Ottawa ramped up its development aid, increased its military presence, opened an embassy in Kabul, and launched programs aimed at, among other things, fostering democracy and rebuilding the economy.


Quote:
In addition, there are all the programs funded by the foreign aid that Canada has been pouring into Afghanistan since 2001. Prior to that year, Canada typically sent about $10 million annually to Afghanistan for basic human needs. Before the Taliban's ouster, there were rampant shortages of food and medicine (made worse by the Taliban's blockage of aid workers who were Christian or female). Since then, Canada has spent or committed a total of $616.5 million, until 2009. The money means, according to CIDA statements, that "Canada has taken a lead role in several initiatives: helping the Afghan government collect and store 10,000 heavy weapons such as artillery, tanks, and rocket launchers; providing savings and microloan services to 140,000 clients," and helping with the destruction of landmines and ammunition stockpiles.
And there's the Mounties. Supt. Philip Campbell at the RCMP's headquarters in Ottawa says there are three Mounties in Afghanistan, two serving with PRTs and one involved with the UN mission in the country. "We're a small cog in a big wheel," Campbell says humbly.
And it is big--and expensive. In addition to the $616 million in funding from the Canadian International Development Agency, the Canadian Forces say they spent $1.34 billion on Afghan operations to the end of last year, and estimate they will spend an additional $374 million on operations Athena and Archer by the end of this year, for a total of more than $1.7 billion. National Defence spokesperson Cathy Huth explains these figures are "incremental costs" that are above what the Department of National Defence would have spent for personnel and equipment had they stayed in Canada, rather than being deployed to Afghanistan.
The Department of Foreign Affairs was not able to provide any figures for what it has spent on its diplomatic efforts in Afghanistan. But spokesperson Kim Girtel says the department increased the size of its diplomatic presence in Kabul by almost 50 per cent last September, to a total of 20 Canadians. "Strengthening our presence in Kabul reflects an economy of effort and a consolidation of expertise that enables effective Canadian leadership," Girtel states. "Why are they there? They are there for the same reason [the soldiers, the PRT and CIDA are]. They are there to help Afghanistan become stable, democratic and self-sustaining. It's the same goal and purpose."


It was beyond me that the Liberals had any policy beyond their back pockets but this looks thorough and well thought out. The only failing was they did not tell anybody about it. I know the Libs don't like to be associated with that sort of green, but it would have made a much better impression than "soldiers with guns..".
There are Canadian soldiers with guns, in Kabul, and I'd say most of us are damn proud of them!

http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... 57&start=0

You do remember that one, don't you?

[DerbyX]

Busted?

2006? I don't think so. Quoting the western standard doesn't mean you were on board.

In addition I suppose you forgot this little nugget:

DerbyX DerbyX:

At best you said "I support the US led war and Canada's participation" which you then followed with an attack on the Liberals for any number of reasons.

Thats why we are hearing a load of "The Libs sent them there ill-equiped".

In other words "We support CDN troops fighting a US led war even if those cowardly Liberals sent them there ill-equiped due to their own neglegence".

Face it. You are a partisan hack who has never once called for national unity beyond telling everybody to vote CPC or else.

[Scape]

DerbyX DerbyX:

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

This is more funny than Penn and Teller's invisible thread....watching the LPC and DERBY flailing about attempting damage control. Futile!!!!

HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA

GIGGLE!!!!!!!!

Says the dumb fuck who posted that Canada didn't have any troops in Afghanistan before the Iraq invasion or that the US asking for CDN assistance in Iraq was a Liberal dream.

Thast not even counting every single erroneous post you have made concerning every verifiable fact concerning Afghanistan.

On your tricycle yetiboy.

Wow, that's bad.

[Pimpbrewski]

Whenever I see Riden and DerbyX arguing, man !, I start laughing (that's in a good way too!)

The friggin' stuff you guys post is very articulate, still funny.

Keep up the good work guys, this is what makes these forums enjoyable

[ShepherdsDog]

really?? I keep expecting to find hairballs from all the hacking coming from both sides

[ShepherdsDog]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

This is more funny than Penn and Teller's invisible thread....watching the LPC and DERBY flailing about attempting damage control. Futile!!!!

HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA

GIGGLE!!!!!!!!

you don't do your credibility any help.

[ryan29]

so after comments like these from dion , i now wonder what crazy things he will say next . it seems like he doesn't test his ideas before he says things to reporters , just sort of makes things up as he goes .

[ridenrain]

ridenrain ridenrain:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Ya, I'm sure. You guys didn't support Chretien or MArtin on this mission. All you did was attack them for sending in the military ill-equiped at the same time as attacking them for not sending us into Iraq.

At no time did you or anybody who voted for the CPC stand up and say "I support the Liberals and their decision".

BUSTED!

$1:

ridenrain - 2006-03-16, 02:43:25
Post subject: Honest praise for Paul Martin - AStan.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If this is the actual plan behind the Canadians in A-Stan, then Paul gets my Approval. This is based on this in the Western Standard.

Quote:
The engagement embodies Ottawa's relatively new "3-D" approach to international engagements--diplomacy, defence and development.
The approach was formally enunciated in the former Liberal government's International Policy Statement, made public April 19, 2005. You might have missed the announcement that day, since it was the same day the Vatican elected the new pope, overwhelming all other news coverage. But the policy, and its Afghan manifestation, are of paramount importance to Canadian foreign policy. Indeed, the Afghan mission, and a similar 3-D engagement with Haiti, mark the first big tests of an international policy that, if successful, will set an expensive and risky template that could last for decades.
The lack of public awareness notwithstanding, Canada's role in Afghanistan has been growing since shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Canadian troops (most famously, members of the elite Joint Task Force 2) fought in the American-led war to oust the al Qaeda-friendly Taliban from power. Canada was also a signatory to the Bonn Agreement of December 2001, designed to help reconstitute a government in Afghanistan. Ottawa ramped up its development aid, increased its military presence, opened an embassy in Kabul, and launched programs aimed at, among other things, fostering democracy and rebuilding the economy.


Quote:
In addition, there are all the programs funded by the foreign aid that Canada has been pouring into Afghanistan since 2001. Prior to that year, Canada typically sent about $10 million annually to Afghanistan for basic human needs. Before the Taliban's ouster, there were rampant shortages of food and medicine (made worse by the Taliban's blockage of aid workers who were Christian or female). Since then, Canada has spent or committed a total of $616.5 million, until 2009. The money means, according to CIDA statements, that "Canada has taken a lead role in several initiatives: helping the Afghan government collect and store 10,000 heavy weapons such as artillery, tanks, and rocket launchers; providing savings and microloan services to 140,000 clients," and helping with the destruction of landmines and ammunition stockpiles.
And there's the Mounties. Supt. Philip Campbell at the RCMP's headquarters in Ottawa says there are three Mounties in Afghanistan, two serving with PRTs and one involved with the UN mission in the country. "We're a small cog in a big wheel," Campbell says humbly.
And it is big--and expensive. In addition to the $616 million in funding from the Canadian International Development Agency, the Canadian Forces say they spent $1.34 billion on Afghan operations to the end of last year, and estimate they will spend an additional $374 million on operations Athena and Archer by the end of this year, for a total of more than $1.7 billion. National Defence spokesperson Cathy Huth explains these figures are "incremental costs" that are above what the Department of National Defence would have spent for personnel and equipment had they stayed in Canada, rather than being deployed to Afghanistan.
The Department of Foreign Affairs was not able to provide any figures for what it has spent on its diplomatic efforts in Afghanistan. But spokesperson Kim Girtel says the department increased the size of its diplomatic presence in Kabul by almost 50 per cent last September, to a total of 20 Canadians. "Strengthening our presence in Kabul reflects an economy of effort and a consolidation of expertise that enables effective Canadian leadership," Girtel states. "Why are they there? They are there for the same reason [the soldiers, the PRT and CIDA are]. They are there to help Afghanistan become stable, democratic and self-sustaining. It's the same goal and purpose."


It was beyond me that the Liberals had any policy beyond their back pockets but this looks thorough and well thought out. The only failing was they did not tell anybody about it. I know the Libs don't like to be associated with that sort of green, but it would have made a much better impression than "soldiers with guns..".
There are Canadian soldiers with guns, in Kabul, and I'd say most of us are damn proud of them!

http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... 57&start=0

You do remember that one, don't you?

Face it fella, you lost it.


You say:

DerbyX DerbyX:

At no time did you or anybody who voted for the CPC stand up and say "I support the Liberals and their decision".

And I said:

ridenrain ridenrain:

If this is the actual plan behind the Canadians in A-Stan, then Paul gets my Approval.

I had to quote the Western Standard report because I've never seen the Liberal plan ever printed before. I've repeated that in other places before and just to do it again: I approve of this Liberal plan for Afghanistan. Just to rub it in, I'll even use capitals when I say again: I aprove of Paul Martin's plan for Afghanistan.


Look at that, you partisan hack, I'm approving of something the Liberals did. I've even attacked my beloved Harper for dumb things. That sort of breaks the charactor image you try to paint on me.
Suck it up, buttercup. Just like the Conservative party has raised the bar in Canadian politics, I'm raising the bar for political comentary. You're actually going to have to see the greater good, not just blind party policy.

[sasquatch2]

lily

$1:

So you'd rather have a career politician who only says things that have been screened through a team of handlers first?

Yeah! Don't you?.....to bad Dion does fit the box.