[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

For crying out loud... I was only trying to show you and Zip something that was happening right now that was interesting, because you two claim to be interested in that sort of thing.

It doesn't prove anything for my side of the debate, or anything. It's just interesting. Actually it's your side that will be using it more if it stays consistent.

It's always interesting. Whether it's consequential is another thing.

Like Zip pointed out, we aren't on 'sides'. There are facts, and there are those that choose not to see the facts.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

And it is interesting and you will be hearing about it soon.

Why, because the deniers are going to try to reverse the last 150 years of data based on that little change in the curve? Good luck!

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

It's good for a smile though, because you won't be able to do your Climate Hysteric OMG! Look at what's happened to the ice once your hysteria-sphere catches up and notices.

My what? Hysteria? You keep coming back to that word. Like above, data is data. You can choose to see what it represents, or not. I'm not hysterical over it, because I'll be long deceased by the time the droughts come, if they come. It's your grandkids that will have to live in them.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

It you do, I'll link here and say, "But wait, I thought you told me that wasn't such a big deal."

You actually did say it wasn't a big deal.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It went with the 3 inch rise, but the NASA study also said the rise was up to 9 inches in places.

Without even going back to look I'm remembering 3 inches as being the global average. If I'm right, that would mean if some areas were as high as 9 inches other areas were...what? You tell me.

Far below 3, right?

Some actually sunk, according to the article. But that's how averages are formed!

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

There are facts, and there are those that choose not to see the facts.

Speaking of seeing the facts why does it take a lawsuit every time someone wants to get the raw temperature data sets from the weather agencies?

It'd sure be nice to actually SEE those facts you mentioned instead of having to trust some rat bastard who 'adjusts' temperature data to fit their political agenda.

[Thanos]

Do the 'rat bastards' include the kind of politicians that prohibited the CDC from studying gun violence as a public health hazard?

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

If you do, I'll link here and say, "But wait, I thought you told me that wasn't such a big deal."

You actually did say it wasn't a big deal.

No, I didn't.

Now pay attention, because I'm only going to explain this one more time.

I called the attention of you and Zip to this sudden loss of ice extent in both the Arctic and the Arctic. Not to win any arguments, but because I thought you'd be interested. And again it's your side of the climate debate that will be making a big deal about this soon. You haven't heard about it yet and don't realize I'm only trying to give you a heads up.

You give me the impression you're only starting to learn about ice though, so I'll forgive you.

Zip however, should know better, but he's staying slyly quiet. In fact, Zip, you've been talking about a strong El Nino and a possible shift in the PDO. Could that explain this? I remember the last time the PDO got strong was when the climate pushed down from the tropics and melted Antarctic's Northern Peninsula.

But back to Doc. So yes, this sudden ice loss may very well turn out to be a "big deal", for you guys at least.

When your guys finally figure it out, tell you, and you want to get all wide-eyed and "OMG there's no more ices. The ices is gone. The polar bears in not gonna have no more Penguins to eat, )" I'm going to say to you, but wait you told me this radical ice extent drop at 2 poles was not a bit thing.

The sea level rise thing - now that one really is not so much with the big deal. It's nothing new and no big deal at all. It's been happening for thousands of years. Nothing is happening now we haven't seen before.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Do the 'rat bastards' include the kind of politicians that prohibited the CDC from studying gun violence as a public health hazard?

According to that kind of logic World War Two was a pandemic that needed doctors to treat it.

The CDC was going beyond their mandate with the gun violence study and they were stepping into the mandate of the FBI. Their actions were political and the actions have diminished the credibility of the CDC given that they are now known to be fomenting a political agenda.

[BartSimpson]

Polar bears don't eat penguins. Just saying.

[ShepherdsDog]

Gotta wonder how they'd do if some were shipped to Antarctica.

[N_Fiddledog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Polar bears don't eat penguins. Just saying.

Exactly, and when you see something in italics and quotation marks with a smiley, it means?

It means the way I hear somebody else talking in my head, right?

Did you ever see that one the BBC did when they were trying to sell this BS about some young girl and her father walking to the North Pole? She could do it because of the shrunken icecap, and the warm weather, you see.

And it was real inspiring until some BBC brainiac added footage of all the Penguins they saw.

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

Do the 'rat bastards' include the kind of politicians that prohibited the CDC from studying gun violence as a public health hazard?

According to that kind of logic World War Two was a pandemic that needed doctors to treat it.

The CDC was going beyond their mandate with the gun violence study and they were stepping into the mandate of the FBI. Their actions were political and the actions have diminished the credibility of the CDC given that they are now known to be fomenting a political agenda.

More like it was the NRA calling in it's markers in Congress to make sure that any federal studies of firearms violence got permanently buried, which is as blatant a display of a political agenda interfering with scientific research as has ever occurred.

[Hyack]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Polar bears don't eat penguins. Just saying.

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Gotta wonder how they'd do if some were shipped to Antarctica.

I think you might end up with some very seriously pissed of penguins.....at least those that survived the initial encounters!!......juat sayin'....

[Jabberwalker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Polar bears don't eat penguins. Just saying.

Don't drink Coke, neither.

[Hyack]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Polar bears don't eat penguins. Just saying.

Don't drink Coke, neither.

If not, then what do they use as mix for their Schreech? That is, for those few, poor, misguided souls who find the need to temper good rum......

[Jabberwalker]

Hyack Hyack:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Polar bears don't eat penguins. Just saying.

Don't drink Coke, neither.

If not, then what do they use as mix for their Schreech? That is, for those few, poor, misguided souls who find the need to temper good rum......

Sorry, I don't adulterate my hooch, either.
"Scotch and Seven" should be a hanging offence.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

There are facts, and there are those that choose not to see the facts.

Speaking of seeing the facts why does it take a lawsuit every time someone wants to get the raw temperature data sets from the weather agencies?

It'd sure be nice to actually SEE those facts you mentioned instead of having to trust some rat bastard who 'adjusts' temperature data to fit their political agenda.

Why do the deniers get their knickers in a twist over this? The same trends hold true no matter if it's the adjusted or raw data. The only meaningful difference is long term trends can't be done unless both data sets are suing the same scales, or the results are incongruent.

For example, they can't compare 100 years of rain gauge measurements in Imperial 'inches' and start measuring in SI Metric and expect there to be meaningful information from the trends without converting one or the other to similar units.

http://judithcurry.com/2015/02/09/berke ... ture-data/