[bootlegga]

martin14 martin14:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Under the old registry, all firearms were supposed to be registered, so theoretically, the police would have known exactly what weapons Taddatz may have had.

And I didn't say it would have prevented it, I said they may have used more experienced and/or better equipped police officers than somebody from the Hate Crimes unit had they known what weapons Raddatz owned.

All this just gets defeated so easily by one non registered illegal weapon.

Then the cops are screwed because they are thinking there are no guns.



They had full body armour.

What do you want, some pre game RPGs or something ?

In this case, that wouldn't have happened.

The police KNEW he had an expired FAC. They almost certainly knew his anti-government views (based on his Facebook profile). They even canvassed the neighbourhood asking if anyone knew for sure whether or not he had weapons. And while he obviously went off the deep end in the recent past, at one time he was a law-abiding family man, so there is no reason to automatically assume he wouldn't have registered his weapon(s) at some point in the past.

As for the strawman that one illegal non-registered gun defeats this, well then maybe we should just get rid of all our laws, because murders still happen, people still use drugs and break the speed limit.

See how easy that falls apart?

Laws cannot prevent 100% of every possible crime - but they can help reduce some instances - and in this case, the long gun registry MAY have helped, simply by providing police on what kind of weapon(s) he may have had.

[bootlegga]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

bootlegga bootlegga:

- especially if initial reports are correct and the eight officers didn't even fire back at Raddatz.

I don't think that is correct. The interview I heard with the WWII vet across the street who nearly took a round in the chest said that the cops were firing back. And reloading. And firing some more.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.3106912

As I said, if those reports are correct. I'm going on what has been reported and honestly don't know. I'm sure it'll all come out in a few months exactly what happened.

Even if they did, how much damage are 9mm and shotgun shells going to do to somebody inside a house? However, if the Tactical Team was there, they'd have had high calibre weapons (C-8 carbines) to outmatch Raddatz.

[2Cdo]

bootlegga bootlegga:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

bootlegga bootlegga:

- especially if initial reports are correct and the eight officers didn't even fire back at Raddatz.

I don't think that is correct. The interview I heard with the WWII vet across the street who nearly took a round in the chest said that the cops were firing back. And reloading. And firing some more.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.3106912

As I said, if those reports are correct. I'm going on what has been reported and honestly don't know. I'm sure it'll all come out in a few months exactly what happened.

Even if they did, how much damage are 9mm and shotgun shells going to do to somebody inside a house? However, if the Tactical Team was there, they'd have had high calibre weapons (C-8 carbines) to outmatch Raddatz.

While a C-8 is nice there are a lot of weapons out there that would outmatch it by quite a bit. And all perfectly legal.

[bootlegga]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

bootlegga bootlegga:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I don't think that is correct. The interview I heard with the WWII vet across the street who nearly took a round in the chest said that the cops were firing back. And reloading. And firing some more.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.3106912

As I said, if those reports are correct. I'm going on what has been reported and honestly don't know. I'm sure it'll all come out in a few months exactly what happened.

Even if they did, how much damage are 9mm and shotgun shells going to do to somebody inside a house? However, if the Tactical Team was there, they'd have had high calibre weapons (C-8 carbines) to outmatch Raddatz.

While a C-8 is nice there are a lot of weapons out there that would outmatch it by quite a bit. And all perfectly legal.

And how much do those same legal high-powered weapons outmatch a Glock?

And the Tactical Team also has high-powered rifles that could match whatever Raddatz had.

[Thanos]

I agree that they should have called out the tac-squad. Just based on his hate-associations alone they should have gone with caution because most of those kind of guys are armed to the teeth and they have a tendency to go out with a spectacular show when their long-awaited 'final showdown' with the police finally happens. No officer should have been allowed near a door or window on that house if they weren't in full ballistic armour from head-to-toe, not just the mere vest only.

[BartSimpson]

I still maintain that the best way to deal with the sovereign citizen types (who are anarchists by definition and not right-wing fanatics) is to be polite with them even to the point of playing their game.

It's the one thing these people are not prepared for.

Myself, I'd feel naked if I went up to that door in an M1 Abrams because the guy may well have a TOW in the house. It'd be less risk to just knock on the door and invite him out for a chat.

[2Cdo]

bootlegga bootlegga:

And how much do those same legal high-powered weapons outmatch a Glock?

Quite easily actually. A Glock is just a pistol usually in 9mm.

$1:

And the Tactical Team also has high-powered rifles that could match whatever Raddatz had.

The tactical team might have .308's, maybe even a .338 but nothing bigger. Both of which are available to anyone with a PAL. The only difference would be in terms of marksmanship and for that I would give the tactical team the edge.

[Yogi]

BRAH BRAH:

Yogi Yogi:

Let's look at this tradgedy from a different angle. Why is Const. Woodall being refered to as a 'hero'? The man was doing the job he was hired to do. He had specific training & safety gear. He also had another officer with him. No way they could have forseen the outcome. Had they really been concerned they had at their disposal the even better trained & equipped swat team.

The designation of 'hero' is greatly over-used. IMO a hero is someone who runs into a burning building putting their own life at risk to save another, or someone who jumps into a river to save another person.

Says the arm chair quarterback who's never risked his life putting on a uniform. FTR I haven't but I'm not second guessing the actions of Const Woodall or EPS that night because I wasn't there, but apparently you were.

SHOW ME where I was 'second guessing' or 'armchair quarterbacking' anything. Ass hole!

[BRAH]

Yogi Yogi:

BRAH BRAH:

Yogi Yogi:

Let's look at this tradgedy from a different angle. Why is Const. Woodall being refered to as a 'hero'? The man was doing the job he was hired to do. He had specific training & safety gear. He also had another officer with him. No way they could have forseen the outcome. Had they really been concerned they had at their disposal the even better trained & equipped swat team.

The designation of 'hero' is greatly over-used. IMO a hero is someone who runs into a burning building putting their own life at risk to save another, or someone who jumps into a river to save another person.

Says the arm chair quarterback who's never risked his life putting on a uniform. FTR I haven't but I'm not second guessing the actions of Const Woodall or EPS that night because I wasn't there, but apparently you were.

SHOW ME where I was 'second guessing' or 'armchair quarterbacking' anything. Ass hole!

"Had they really been concerned they had at their disposal the even better trained & equipped swat team."
Right there Bitch!
You didn't think they were not already concerned?
Oh, sorry I called you a C**t when I gave you a negative point, I meant to say Bitch! What was I thinking?

[Yogi]

BRAH BRAH:

Yogi Yogi:

Let's look at this tradgedy from a different angle. Why is Const. Woodall being refered to as a 'hero'? The man was doing the job he was hired to do. He had specific training & safety gear. He also had another officer with him. No way they could have forseen the outcome. Had they really been concerned they had at their disposal the even better trained & equipped swat team.

The designation of 'hero' is greatly over-used. IMO a hero is someone who runs into a burning building putting their own life at risk to save another, or someone who jumps into a river to save another person.

Says the arm chair quarterback who's never risked his life putting on a uniform. FTR I haven't but I'm not second guessing the actions of Const Woodall or EPS that night because I wasn't there, but apparently you were.

SHOW ME where I was 'second guessing' or 'armchair quarterbacking' anything. Ass hole![/quote]
"Had they really been concerned they had at their disposal the even better trained & equipped swat team."
Right there Bitch!
You didn't think they were not already concerned?
Oh, sorry I called you a C**t when I gave you a negative point, I meant to say Bitch! What was I thinking? [/quote]


Asshole, I reiterated what was on the newscast. Not my words. Now coc* sucker, go help yer sorry self to all my fuckin points. Knock yurself out!

[BRAH]

Yogi Yogi:

BRAH BRAH:

Yogi Yogi:

Let's look at this tradgedy from a different angle. Why is Const. Woodall being refered to as a 'hero'? The man was doing the job he was hired to do. He had specific training & safety gear. He also had another officer with him. No way they could have forseen the outcome. Had they really been concerned they had at their disposal the even better trained & equipped swat team.

The designation of 'hero' is greatly over-used. IMO a hero is someone who runs into a burning building putting their own life at risk to save another, or someone who jumps into a river to save another person.

Says the arm chair quarterback who's never risked his life putting on a uniform. FTR I haven't but I'm not second guessing the actions of Const Woodall or EPS that night because I wasn't there, but apparently you were.

SHOW ME where I was 'second guessing' or 'armchair quarterbacking' anything. Ass hole!

"Had they really been concerned they had at their disposal the even better trained & equipped swat team."
Right there Bitch!
You didn't think they were not already concerned?
Oh, sorry I called you a C**t when I gave you a negative point, I meant to say Bitch! What was I thinking? [/quote]


Asshole, I reiterated what was on the newscast. Not my words. Now coc* sucker, go help yer sorry self to all my fuckin points. Knock yurself out![/quote]
Thanks.

[rickc]

I wish this forum had some kind of two tier system for threads like this. When someone like a cop, fireman, soldier, etc., dies in the line of duty, there should be one thread set up to express condolences to the family. Say goodbye to the fallen, show some respect for someone who has fallen in the line of duty. There should be another thread to discuss the particulars of the situation, whatever they may be. I do not want to silence free speech in any way. The conversations about the particulars concerning the death, (was it necessary, should we be there, did we have the proper support, etc.) are important conversations and need to be had. I just find that having those conversations in the original obituary thread tends to piss a lot of people off. Tempers flare. People understandably get emotional about the topic. Anyhow I'm just talking out of my ass here throwing out some suggestions to keep the peace in threads that deserve some peace, and keep the dialog going strong in threads that deserve heated debate.

[bootlegga]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

bootlegga bootlegga:

And how much do those same legal high-powered weapons outmatch a Glock?

Quite easily actually. A Glock is just a pistol usually in 9mm.

I thought it would be fairly obvious that that was a rhetorical question...of course officers armed with pistols would be even more outmatched than the Tactical Team might have been.

[2Cdo]

bootlegga bootlegga:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

bootlegga bootlegga:

And how much do those same legal high-powered weapons outmatch a Glock?

Quite easily actually. A Glock is just a pistol usually in 9mm.

I thought it would be fairly obvious that that was a rhetorical question...of course officers armed with pistols would be even more outmatched than the Tactical Team might have been.

To be honest I don't know your level of knowledge with firearms, so I merely answered your question. With an absolute minimum of snark I might add.

[Zipperfish]

Yogi Yogi:

Let's look at this tradgedy from a different angle. Why is Const. Woodall being refered to as a 'hero'? The man was doing the job he was hired to do. He had specific training & safety gear. He also had another officer with him. No way they could have forseen the outcome. Had they really been concerned they had at their disposal the even better trained & equipped swat team.

Because he was killed in the line of duty. Now I make fun of baconfaces as much as the next guy. And it's my personal opinion there's too many cops out there. But that said, I'll be the first in line--the FIRST in line--to salute those that have fallen.