[raydan]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Sugar is in a ton of products from ketchup, McDonalds fries, bread, any condiments, pasta sauce and even some packaged deli meats. etc.

I always hear that about bread... I make my own and use 1 tablespoon of sugar for a large bread. That's not a lot of sugar per slice.

[ShepherdsDog]

White death. ..white sugar, salt, white flour, lard, white rice.

White read has exactly the same impact on your blood sugar as sucrose. The GI index/load is a good guide.

[andyt]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

We hit the nail on the head with the first thing we eliminated. Gluten.

Ok, you have a problem with gluten. Most people who avoid it don't, for them it's just a fad. And wheat has had gluten in it always, has nothing to do with being genetically modified. It also doesn't have anything to do what this guy is touting, about being addictive and being modified from the 80's - that's just bullshit, and people are lapping it up. Nothing wrong with wheat for most people. Wheat is the first domesticated crop, it's what allowed mankind to advance beyond hunting and gathering, and invent nice concepts like hoarding, greed, mass warfare, inequality and so on. Also of course arts and science. You should love it. It's fine to tell people that cutting out wheat worked for you. Suggesting this is a problem for most people, not so much.

[PJB]

If someone listened to all of the fear mongering scientists and some 'doctors' that appear on some news (fox) programs and talk shows we would not eat anything! One study claims that milk actually reduces calcium. My good people, we have been consuming these foods for thousands of years and all of a sudden one "doctor" says it is poison and we all blindly jump on the bandwagon.

What's next?

[Jabberwalker]

Another one in that same vein is the nonsense that eating crispy meat will kill you with cancer, for sure.

Well.

How long have humans and protohumans been cooking meat over fire? As more and more archaeology, paleontology comes in, it appears that we've had fire for about 100,000 years and the age is still being pushed back into the past. We have been consuming HCA compounds since before we were modern humans. We simply must have adapted to these substances by straight forward Darwinian processes long, long ago ...especially if these compounds are really as dangerous as the food Nazis would have you believe.

How do they know that burnt meat is so toxic?

They paint those derivative compounds onto the backs of white rats and record whether they produce tumors. When you can demonstrate the Lab Rats have been consuming HCAs for 1000,000 years and yet STILLproduce tumors, you will have a case. Until that time, the hysteria around barbequed meat is just so much bad science.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Ok, you have a problem with gluten. Most people who avoid it don't, for them it's just a fad. And wheat has had gluten in it always, has nothing to do with being genetically modified. It also doesn't have anything to do what this guy is touting, about being addictive and being modified from the 80's - that's just bullshit, and people are lapping it up. Nothing wrong with wheat for most people. Wheat is the first domesticated crop, it's what allowed mankind to advance beyond hunting and gathering, and invent nice concepts like hoarding, greed, mass warfare, inequality and so on. Also of course arts and science. You should love it. It's fine to tell people that cutting out wheat worked for you. Suggesting this is a problem for most people, not so much.

I think there's a lot of foods that are a problem for most people. Milk. Sugar. Aspartame and wheat.

I guess we could all sit back and blame the obesity epidemic on lazy people because sure as hell, it's not the food we're consuming.

In the end, you're speaking from the experience of a couple Wiki articles and some Google searches so your opinion really means fuck-all.

[andyt]

Nope, can't have anything to do with the fact most people spend most of their day sitting on their asses

http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2091327

and eat way too much.


It's got to be that food we've been eating since the stone age has all of a sudden turned poisonous.

My opinion, backed by science, means nothing. Yours, of course, backed by anecdotal evidence of yoh sef, is da truf. Is dah faks, man.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

It's got to be that food we've been eating since the stone age has all of a sudden turned poisonous.

My opinion, backed by science, means nothing. Yours, of course, backed by anecdotal evidence of yoh sef, is da truf. Is dah faks, man.

Our food is the same since the stone age? People put sugar in bread back then?

And your credibility takes another kick to the teeth.

Your opinion means nothing because it was formed today and lacks any credibility simply because it's from you.

[OnTheIce]

Andy, do me a favour and Google the term "refined carbohydrates and obesity"

It can wait until after the nurse changes your diaper.

[andyt]

We were talking about wheat. I mentioned that sugar was a problem, as is white flour, some posts back. That's not wheat. You

[andyt]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Point being, wheat today isn't the same as the wheat 50+ years ago due to genetic modification.

Showed you this is bullshit.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I don't need science to tell me that my experience was my experience. I'm not the first guy to remove gluten from his diet to see these results.

Moving away from gluten doesn't always mean a low carb diet. I ate tons of carbs in the forms of rice chips and rice pasta.

I don't recall anyone besides me talking about cutting out sugar and that was after the weight loss and going away from gluten.

Shows your mind set - science wrong, me right. Your claim that it's the gluten - gluten has been in wheat since the stone age - refining it doesn't add gluten. So bullshit on you.


You claim that it's the wheat that caused you to be a lard ass, and specifically the gluten. Bullshit, unless you have some sort of gluten problem that was not diagnosed otherwise. Most people don't have this problem. Most people are fat because they sit too much and eat too much.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

We were talking about wheat. I mentioned that sugar was a problem, as is white flour, some posts back. That's not wheat. You

White flour doesn't contain wheat?

Wanna keep pretending you have a clue or are you done now?

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

You claim that it's the wheat that caused you to be a lard ass, and specifically the gluten. Bullshit, unless you have some sort of gluten problem that was not diagnosed otherwise. Most people don't have this problem. Most people are fat because they sit too much and eat too much.

Never said I was overweight...but thanks for attempting a jab with the 'lard ass' comment. Didn't know that being 6' and 200lbs made anyone a 'lard ass'.

It's OK andy...you think the food we consume is the exact same as it was in the stone age and that flour doesn't contain wheat.

You define failure. Daily.

[andyt]

Since you don't want to beleive wiki, I guess you'll say these guys have an agenda too - anybody but yourself:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/newsroom/2014 ... _wheat.pdf

[andyt]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

We were talking about wheat. I mentioned that sugar was a problem, as is white flour, some posts back. That's not wheat. You

White flour doesn't contain wheat?

Wanna keep pretending you have a clue or are you done now?

no that's not what I meant. When you say wheat, you are referring to any wheat, not white flour. AS you said yourself, white flour is made from wheat, it's not wheat. And you keep dancing between conflating sugar and wheat then saying wheat is the problem. In the end you say gluten is the problem - are you seriously maintaining that wheat did not used to contain gluten in the stone age? Why not just say you have a problem with gluten?

And white flour is only a problem because of it's high glycemic index and lack of complete nutrition. For a non-diabetic, eating white flour in pasta say, with a sauce that has some fat in it to slow digestion, and has the nutrients in the sauce that white flour lacks, white flour isn't a biggie. Especially if you cook the pasta al dente. Just have to make sure you get enough fiber from other sources. If you eat a lot of white foods, and an otherwise poor nutritive diet, sure you'll have problems. None of that has anything to do with what you were experiencing.