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CK, what I expect is for us to have all of these similar views for our own officials. You have one case to show that says we hold our corrupted to account? You think that's it?
Well, see, I'm pretty sure I mentioned Laval and corruption.
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/laval-ex-may ... -1.1478141As for an interesting historical one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... %281946%29There are others of whites being prosecuted for corruption (I'd toss others, but the few that come to mind right away are Detroit, but then you'll be all like "see only non-whites get prosecuted! RACIST!") but I think one really recent example, and one very interesting historical example is more than enough evidence that we do prosecute, and challenge non-Native corruption.
Hell, you might even like the second link. Armed insurrection against a corrupt government is something you might enjoy.
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You don't think anyone has gotten away? You don't think people are getting away right now?
Of course there are some people getting away with it, because either A) They haven't been caught yet, or B) Were not prosecuted, or C) A jury said they were not guilty.
Some people get away with murder too, doesn't mean we don't keep trying to catch murderers, and prosecuting them.
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Why should we expect Natives to give up their governments if we aren't expected to do the same with ours? We want to look at Native corruption, FINE BY ME, how about we stop pretending that only Natives can be corrupt?
See, I don't even think you read anything I said. I stated, quite clearly, that Laval was a beautiful example of white people being corrupt. I don't think disbanding the tribal councils would be necessary, but, certainly prosecuting those responsible with corruption, and if that brings down an administration or two, then that is what needs to be done. Corruption is a cancer. You leave one corrupt individual that you are aware of, then corruption will not go away.
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I'm okay with building houses for Natives. Actually, I want houses built for everyone, and I want them put in these houses very cheaply. Sure, deal with cases of corruption like this one, where the condemned houses were reused, but I fail to see how a white man at the helm will somehow be more noble in his decision making given the same opportunities.
See, I don't think I ever said that putting white leaders in the place of these corrupt leaders would be the solution. The community could appoint or elect new leaders as they see fit.
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That is what I'm arguing about here, this ridiculous notion that somehow whitey taking over all of the responsibilities of native government will somehow result in "better people" running things. Sorry, but I'm a firm believer that we're all equally capable of corruption, it just depends on circumstances.
So, you made a strawman, to knock it down, while basically treating those who view the corruption issues as having the same opinions as the strawman you set up. Absolutely nobody said putting white people in power would fix things. Hell, a number of us even stated Indian Affairs are partially responsible for this clusterfuck of corruption for not holding these tribal councils accountable.
Also, no. We all have the moral decisions to do the right thing or not. I'm certainly physically capable of stealing credit cards and personal information in my new job, but my ethics and moral code prevent me from doing so. I'm certainly capable of driving my car onto a crowded sidewalk, but my personal morality and ethics stop me.
These Native leaders have a choice, to be corrupt, or not. They decided to be corrupt. Now, we'll see if they're held accountable for their actions.
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I know many natives have 'willingly' discarded their culture and band in favour of job opportunities in the city (or Alberta). My step-father is Cree, and he would agree with almost all of these issues. Doesn't use his "status" (I don't think he even has a card, which I know he qualifies for; buys everything full price on the white side of town) and has no issue talking down corrupt Native band leaders and the damage they've done to his former community. He doesn't blame whitey for anything, nor does he take in welfare money. No cheques in the mail for him, he considers it an insult to his pride. Would rather be impoverished than reliant. His values fit very nicely with the rest of the family's. The things he said about Chief Spence were significantly less moderate than much of the ranting here. He uses a fun word to describe degenerate cultureless "faux" Natives: "neche" (pronounced knee-chee), a racist word that seems to be mostly used by Natives to describe illegitimate Natives.
Tell your stepfather to become a tribal leader, then. Maybe that's the issue right there. Those with strong ethics leave the reserve to try to make a better life for themselves because, on the reserve, the corruption is too much to be climbed over. They take pride that they made something of themselves without the help of the federal government, or from the scraps of the Aboriginal leadership after they plunder what is given to them.
Tell me something. If your stepfather ran an Aboriginal community, do you think he'd sell condemned homes while the possessions of the former occupants were still inside, and pocketing the proceeds?
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Now that that's been stated, I want to reiterate that I don't believe this is an opinion Natives on reserves should (or even could) be forced to have. I don't believe the chance for accountable and trustable Native self-governance is shot to hell. I believe good can be done. I don't believe disbanding and disrupting the entire concept will do much good for the people in the end, only for our tax dollars. I do believe tossing aside the chance for them to have their own institutions and government is tossing aside the chance for any preservation of their weakening culture and traditions. I don't believe addressing corrupt cases like this one will do that, but uprooting the entire concept of self-governance will.
Fair enough, but the difference is that the institution exists even if we prosecute the whole tribal council for corruption and send them to jail. Laval's municipal government is still intact even though the former mayor and 36 cohorts are now being prosecuted.
You know the people I'd make leaders? Your stepfather seems to be a prime candidate. The man from the video who is staying in his condemned home, just so it doesn't disappear on him. He's taking a stand against his corrupt, thieving leadership, even if it's to protect his possessions. People who actually give a damn about the wellbeing of their community. All I know, for a fact, is that this is a problem. Any corrupt politician needs to be dealt with, and these tribal leaders are no different. Canada does not hold these leaders accountable like they should, and that's a serious problem. The Aboriginals who are sickened by said corruption leave, because, on their own, have very little power in a location that is run like a mafia family. There is more than enough money to minimize poverty, crime, and health problems, while helping foster culture, education, and personal opportunity. But the corrupt leaders of some of these tribal councils leech off of these communities, at the expense of their populations. It needs to stop, because they're as Canadian as me.
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