[N_Fiddledog]

The UK media tells me this guy is the extremist voice of the UK.

Ok, but why is he the one who makes the most sense?

[BartSimpson]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The UK media tells me this guy is the extremist voice of the UK.

Ok, but why is he the one who makes the most sense?

The UK is overdue for an uprising.

[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I think you're forgetting your original assertion here, which was summary conviction and execution, Lemmy.

That was, as you called it, an emotive whim.

Gunnair Gunnair:

I suspect, since I'm not buying your line that the mob should have the ability to pick and choose who gets due process based on their emotive whim, that we will have to agree to disagree.

Our disagreement, I think, is more about what constitutes a due process, given the video evidence we have of this event.

Due process is a trial by jury with the accused getting a lawyer and yada yada yada, you know the drill here, Lemmy.

Really, it again comes back to summary conviction, since it seems there is enough evidence for you to proceed without due process, then summary execution.

Am I off base with what you are proposing?

[Lemmy]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Due process is a trial by jury with the accused getting a lawyer and yada yada yada, you know the drill here, Lemmy.

Really, it again comes back to summary conviction, since it seems there is enough evidence for you to proceed without due process, then summary execution.

Am I off base with what you are proposing?

It's the yada-yada-yada part that's maddening. We take the guy, with his lawyer into the courtroom with a 12-person jury. Tomorrow. We show the video. Ask the defense to explain it. Then we ask the jury to decide guilt. I presume they find for conviction. We shoot the guy. The whole thing takes 1/2 hour. Today. Done.

Is that not due process? What else do we need to do to achieve that standard? Tell me it's something more than waiting.

[N_Fiddledog]

$1:

TRIPOLI, Lebanon (Reuters) - A Syrian-born Islamist cleric who taught one of the men accused of hacking to death an off-duty British soldier on a London street praised the attack for its "courage" and said Muslims would see it as a strike on a military target.

http://news.yahoo.com/exiled-cleric-tau ... 58347.html

[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Due process is a trial by jury with the accused getting a lawyer and yada yada yada, you know the drill here, Lemmy.

Really, it again comes back to summary conviction, since it seems there is enough evidence for you to proceed without due process, then summary execution.

Am I off base with what you are proposing?

It's the yada-yada-yada part that's maddening. We take the guy, with his lawyer into the courtroom with a 12-person jury. Tomorrow. We show the video. Ask the defense to explain it. Then we ask the jury to decide guilt. I presume they find for conviction. We shoot the guy. The whole thing takes 1/2 hour. Today. Done.

Is that not due process? What else do we need to do to achieve that standard? Tell me it's something more than waiting.

Of course not and you know it. Lynching went out a while ago or was it the plan to roll us back to a point early in the last century?

Really, as has been pointed out, is it lost on the highly educated brain that every time one of these amazing rare incidents occur the mob suddenly wants to have civilization regress several decades so that we can shed the progress we've made to get our emotive kicks in?

Come on already. Where is your summary decision to drop the highway speed limit to 50 km when the incontrovertible evidence points out that speeding is deadly?

[N_Fiddledog]

Has anybody heard what if anything the two Murdering, Muslim Michaels worked at? If anything.

Here's the probable answer from one of their teachers.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

bambu bambu:

All convicteds must be kept alive, in case mistakes have been made.
Execution-homicided convicteds can't be dug up and shaken back to life.

Really now. You think there's any mistake about the two mutts that butchered that British soldier?
Denial, it ain't just a river in Egypt.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The UK media tells me this guy is the extremist voice of the UK.

Ok, but why is he the one who makes the most sense?

That does it. Send out the "hate speech" police.

[N_Fiddledog]

I discovered the answer to the question, "What were the two Michaels doing with their time when they weren't butchering citizens on the street?".

$1:

It was reported today that the university of the attackers that killed Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich this week played host to a number of extremist speakers on campus over the past decade.

Greenwich University, which both Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale attended, recently hosted the likes of Dr. Khalid Fikry, Zahir Mahmoud and Abu Usamah.

While links to the pair have not been established through the university's Islamic Society, the revelations raise further questions as to the utilisation of British university campuses by anti-Western extremists...

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3 ... UQ.twitter

This incident has been kind of illuminating for me. I've learned radicalization of Muslims doesn't just occur in Madrassas. Prisons and Universities are also breeding grounds.

[stratos]

$1:

The UK is overdue for an uprising.

If the actions of those in the video of the killing are any indication it will be a long long time before the uprising happens. The ppl in the video stood meekly by as a person was decapitated. They did not even attempt to help to fend off these monsters. They stood by and watched waiting for the police to come. Police took 20 minutes to arrive. They have been so conditioned by letting the Gov. run their lives and tell them what is good for them that they now have no willingness to defend someone while being attacked. It is so very sad to see when about 70yrs ago free people around the world looked on in awe as England faced the blitz and would not back down and fought back when everyone in the world thought they would give up fighting the Germans.

[ShepherdsDog]

Andy would have labelled them assholes for taking the fight to the Germans

[2Cdo]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Andy would have labelled them assholes for taking the fight to the Germans

With plenty of "he's not representing all Germans".

[saturn_656]

stratos stratos:

The ppl in the video stood meekly by as a person was decapitated. They did not even attempt to help to fend off these monsters. They stood by and watched waiting for the police to come. Police took 20 minutes to arrive.

Police were there well before 20 minutes. I read the first police units had arrived 9 minutes after the call was placed.

Being Great Britain, however, of course those cops were not armed and didn't intervene. A meaningful police response didn't arrive until 14 minutes after the call (going from what I read) when the "armed police" finally arrived and the perps were shot.

[N_Fiddledog]

The cops should have been armed though, then we wouldn't be arguing about 6 minutes.

Although...maybe a better thing would have been if law abiding permit holders of the citizenry of Woolwich were armed the bobbies might only have been necessary to clean the refuse of dead radical off the street, and supply a bandaid for the neck of Drummer Rigby, who would, of course, have thanked them in polite English, then gone home to his two year old son, who is instead now sitting at home asking Mommy "Where's Daddy?".