[Curtman]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

This is righting a past wrong in a purely legal manner.

$1:

Almost 500,000 Jews live in settlements on occupied territory. The settlements are illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.
...
Also on Tuesday, three UN special rapporteurs called for an immediate end to the demolition of Palestinian-owned homes and other structures in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

You misspelled illegal.

[eureka]

I know exactly how it sounds. It sounds a bit like it would sound if it referred only to Harper's calling the invasion of Lebanon and the killing of a UN observer (who happened to be a Canadian", a "measured Response."

Canada is almost alone in the world in the Palestinian question. We know that the position of the USA is a domestic matter. It is "where the votes lie." There is no such "justification for Harper.

[Thanos]

Curtman Curtman:

martin14 martin14:

Are you really worried about what I think ?

I'm not a mind reader so I have no idea what you think. What I'm worried about is people like John Baird and Steven Harper who are supposed to be representing the views of Canadians saying these ridiculous things about anyone who criticizes the isreali settlements as being antisemetic.

They are because most Canadians when polled support Israel and far fewer Canadians care at all about a Palestinian kleptocracy that willingly chose the psychotic terrorists of Hamas to be their main representatives.

[Curtman]

It seems bizarre that the government doesn't even follow it's own policy here though.

Canadian Policy on Key Issues in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

$1:

Occupied Territories and Settlements

Canada does not recognize permanent Israeli control over territories occupied in 1967 (the Golan Heights, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip). The Fourth Geneva Convention applies in the occupied territories and establishes Israel's obligations as an occupying power, in particular with respect to the humane treatment of the inhabitants of the occupied territories. As referred to in UN Security Council Resolutions 446 and 465, Israeli settlements in the occupied territories are a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The settlements also constitute a serious obstacle to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace.

Canada believes that both Israel and the Palestinian Authority must fully respect international human rights and humanitarian law which is key to ensuring the protection of civilians, and can contribute to the creation of a climate conducive to achieving a just, lasting and comprehensive peace settlement.

[martin14]

Tell you what.

When Hamas starts behaving to respect human rights and humanitarian law

and protecting civilians...............................



Well, I'm not worried.

[desertdude]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

There was a two state solution in the Mandate.... Jordan for the Arabs and Israel for the Jews. The Arabs were originally given 85% of the territory and the Jews took 15 %. The Arabs weren't happy with that and tried to make it 0%, so the Jews have now ended up with about 19 - 20 %, while the Arabs still hold 80 %.

Yes I can see how they hold 80% of the land



Slightly ironic to say the least that the same old rethoric was reguritated in Yahoo's speech playing every sympathy card he could, while it is US, Canada and Israel that deny the existance of Palestine.

An all time low in international standing. The US will loose whatever little of its credibility it still has left if it vetos this, not to mention giving even more rise to Anti American sentiment in the Arab and Muslim world and even in Europe and S.America. Saudi has already issued statements that their Alliance will be severly affected if they do and I believe many more will follow if it does. Being engaged in two very bloody wars and then stubbing this, peace broker ?

I can understand America evangilical and jewish support for Israel, even the poloticians. It made sense to have Israel as an ally back in the day as it was an asset, but today ? The US has a large military in region, good terms will most in the region, its blind support of Israel just harms that and gives more cannon fodder to the biggest thorn in its side Iran.

Currently its blind support for Israel is more of a liability than an asset. Also the same points as above why Canada blindly chooses to support Israel is also baffling or does it have no voice of it own and will just be a US yes man ?

[andyt]

Wow. I didn't know it was that bad. How can Israel say they want peace with a straight face. I guess they mean piece - as in we'll have peace when we have every last piece.

[sandorski]

My Peace Plan

In 1 Year the land, Israel and Disputed territories, will be rendered inhospitable due to Radioactive Contamination for an estimated 3 Centuries. Assuming they evacuated, the Descendants who return to reclaim the Land will be the rightful Citizens of it.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

desertdude desertdude:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

There was a two state solution in the Mandate.... Jordan for the Arabs and Israel for the Jews. The Arabs were originally given 85% of the territory and the Jews took 15 %. The Arabs weren't happy with that and tried to make it 0%, so the Jews have now ended up with about 19 - 20 %, while the Arabs still hold 80 %.

Yes I can see how they hold 80% of the land



Slightly ironic to say the least that the same old rethoric was reguritated in Yahoo's speech playing every sympathy card he could, while it is US, Canada and Israel that deny the existance of Palestine.

An all time low in international standing. The US will loose whatever little of its credibility it still has left if it vetos this, not to mention giving even more rise to Anti American sentiment in the Arab and Muslim world and even in Europe and S.America. Saudi has already issued statements that their Alliance will be severly affected if they do and I believe many more will follow if it does. Being engaged in two very bloody wars and then stubbing this, peace broker ?

I can understand America evangilical and jewish support for Israel, even the poloticians. It made sense to have Israel as an ally back in the day as it was an asset, but today ? The US has a large military in region, good terms will most in the region, its blind support of Israel just harms that and gives more cannon fodder to the biggest thorn in its side Iran.

Currently its blind support for Israel is more of a liability than an asset. Also the same points as above why Canada blindly chooses to support Israel is also baffling or does it have no voice of it own and will just be a US yes man ?

Just for shits and giggles, what's your source for that map?

[BartSimpson]

eureka eureka:

If Israel "nuked" the Gaza strip...

...it'd be an improvement.

[saturn_656]

$1:

Just for shits and giggles, what's your source for that map?

Map is linked to the below address.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Have a look around, and watch for the raving lunatics.

[BartSimpson]

sandorski sandorski:

My Peace Plan

In 1 Year the land, Israel and Disputed territories, will be rendered inhospitable due to Radioactive Contamination for an estimated 3 Centuries. Assuming they evacuated, the Descendants who return to reclaim the Land will be the rightful Citizens of it.

Your plan won't happen because the Shin Bet will kill you in your sleep first.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

$1:

Just for shits and giggles, what's your source for that map?

Map is linked to the below address.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Have a look around, and watch for the raving lunatics.

Wow Someone should erect a "Caution, whackjobs at work" sign for that site.

[andyt]

From he Wall Street Journal

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[mhikl]

Wow, eye opening graphics, man. Thanks for the link. We are in interesting times. Remember the power change between World Wars and the ascension of US and then USSR, i.e., the transition from British power.

The States has lost control of Latin America since single minded Bush2 got involved with a false cause in a false war. No more pitting one tinpot country agin an other. Latin America is strong, mending fences in their huge region, and developing their resources and embracing democracy, the real kind. Canada and US are excluded from four important LA organisations: MERCOSUR, Rio Group, UNASUR and CLACS.
(check out: http://mercosurconsulting.net/mmix/inde ... er?blog=11) At the moment, I don’t think there is an organisation left where the two continents come to meet and discuss whatnots.

Things are not looking good. No US influence in Latin America, little in Asia. Losing any influence in the Middle East doesn’t look promising for the States. Europe is pretty independent. That sort of leaves them Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Africa. Since Mr Harper, the States has Canada on board, again.