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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:29 am
 


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I don't see why we should regulate the protection of private informations by PRIVATE corporations. If they don't do it, they would be held accountable and they will loose customers. That's how it works.


If we don't legislate it, they won't do it because there is no profit in it, but there is a loss in maintaining the data securely. They are unaccountable without legislation, and I'm sure the temporary loss in customers (till they forget the incident) is factored against the cost of maintaining a secure environment.

You aren't one of those who believes in the benevolent nature of corporations, are you? Must be a public sector employee. ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:18 pm
 


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:46 pm
 


LulzSec disbands- does it matter? Will the hacks stop? And if not- does this mean war?

I'm kinda torn on these guys. On the one hand they are criminals like vandals and taggers on the street but on the other hand I am glad they did what they did. Otherwise Harpers site may have been hacked by people who do not do it for the lulz and Sony may have just as well given that info to criminals already so they can scan your bank and cc info. Now at least we know.

These guys are low level criminals that have made the system more resilient by exposing flaws due to inept security protocols. They are not pointing laser pointers at landing pilots. The level of malice to their tomfoolery is negligible and if anything this make a good case that we should hire them on a federal level to keep working at this to keep the internet commerce on their toes and to improve security for all who use the web.


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Unfortunately most privacy laws still don't have enough teeth to properly encourage compliance. There are so many people out there who don't pay much attention to protecting their own privacy when on the net that it's bad enough but when businesses on the net aren't held properly to account for serious violations of written law then we're just compounding the problem.

This doesn't absolve the hackers for seeking to steal other people's data but when your security is shown to be lacking once don't compound the problem by not fixing the issue it before going back online!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:55 pm
 


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LulzSec disbands- does it matter? Will the hacks stop? And if not- does this mean war?

I'm kinda torn on these guys. On the one hand they are criminals like vandals and taggers on the street but on the other hand I am glad they did what they did. Otherwise Harpers site may have been hacked by people who do not do it for the lulz and Sony may have just as well given that info to criminals already so they can scan your bank and cc info. Now at least we know.

These guys are low level criminals that have made the system more resilient by exposing flaws due to inept security protocols. They are not pointing laser pointers at landing pilots. The level of malice to their tomfoolery is negligible and if anything this make a good case that we should hire them on a federal level to keep working at this to keep the internet commerce on their toes and to improve security for all who use the web.


Sounds like the best kind of testers money can buy! :)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:22 pm
 


Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:
Unfortunately most privacy laws still don't have enough teeth to properly encourage compliance. There are so many people out there who don't pay much attention to protecting their own privacy when on the net that it's bad enough but when businesses on the net aren't held properly to account for serious violations of written law then we're just compounding the problem.

This doesn't absolve the hackers for seeking to steal other people's data but when your security is shown to be lacking once don't compound the problem by not fixing the issue it before going back online!


To have one password for every site and bank account you log into is not only lazy it's imbecilic and we shouldn't legislate vs stupidity. There is some onus on the consumer but in the same token more and more of modern civil society is now demanding services be supplied on the web and there should be a minimum standard of performance and guarantee of protection of privacy rights. If major institutions are going to be accessible on the web they also will have to adhere to a set standard. That means keeping current with security, having a set protocol when privacy is breached and educating their clientele of what can and can not be expected over the web. A sort of BBB or guild for the web that would register sites, verify security and ensure adherence to a set protocol.

Right now if your security is compromised the only thing you can do is contact the police, who may or may not share that info federally or provincially let alone commercially. Your directed to sites like phonebusters and to the credit rating agencies like Equifax so that they (for a fee) will watch your credit history for any unusual activity on your account. However not all credit bureaus are the same and none are geared specifically towards cyber crime and ID theft.

Right now it's the wild west still on the web when it comes to commerce. There was a big uproar when people started banking online that things like this would happen and that awareness has worn off with complacency. Lolsec has rung the bell but will there be anyone awake to hear it?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:45 pm
 


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LulzSec disbands- does it matter? Will the hacks stop? And if not- does this mean war?

I'm kinda torn on these guys. On the one hand they are criminals like vandals and taggers on the street but on the other hand I am glad they did what they did. Otherwise Harpers site may have been hacked by people who do not do it for the lulz and Sony may have just as well given that info to criminals already so they can scan your bank and cc info. Now at least we know.

These guys are low level criminals that have made the system more resilient by exposing flaws due to inept security protocols. They are not pointing laser pointers at landing pilots. The level of malice to their tomfoolery is negligible and if anything this make a good case that we should hire them on a federal level to keep working at this to keep the internet commerce on their toes and to improve security for all who use the web.

Well, they are kids. When I was young, there was no computers. I learned it while the industry was growing up. Those kids, they grow with access to computers. When you are young, you are "sponges". You learn anything very quickly. So, mix knowledge and young kids (i.e., irresonsible), that's what it does.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:49 pm
 


What they have done has caused billions in damage thou. It is not their fault that the scale of the fiscal ruin was so massive but I fear they will end up being made examples of for the ineptness of others. A scapegoat if you will.


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I have consistently avoided on-line financial transactions, with the exception of using a self-load credit card specifically for on-line purchases. That way, I can control how much money is available on it at any time.
As far as on-line banking goes, I don't care HOW advanced they claim their encryption is, nothing will ever beat the encryption of in-person banking.

Even the donation I made to this site I sent a personal cheque by snail mail to Trev. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:30 pm
 


PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
I have consistently avoided on-line financial transactions, with the exception of using a self-load credit card specifically for on-line purchases. That way, I can control how much money is available on it at any time.
As far as on-line banking goes, I don't care HOW advanced they claim their encryption is, nothing will ever beat the encryption of in-person banking.

Even the donation I made to this site I sent a personal cheque by snail mail to Trev. :lol:

Well, I prefer to give my credit card number to a well known website than to a unknown garagist in a strange place for gas :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:29 am
 


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PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
I have consistently avoided on-line financial transactions, with the exception of using a self-load credit card specifically for on-line purchases. That way, I can control how much money is available on it at any time.
As far as on-line banking goes, I don't care HOW advanced they claim their encryption is, nothing will ever beat the encryption of in-person banking.

Even the donation I made to this site I sent a personal cheque by snail mail to Trev. :lol:

Well, I prefer to give my credit card number to a well known website than to a unknown garagist in a strange place for gas :lol:

I pay cash for gas too :wink: Actually, except for the self load one I use on-line, I don't even use my credit cards anymore and avoid using my debit card whenever possible.


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