[C.M. Burns]

ridenrain ridenrain:

You're unfamiliar with the concept of "work ethic", arn't you.
That's the basic drive to get you're ass out of bed to trade some effort for some money. It requires people to be clean, sober and drug free, and is very popular with the rest of the world.

Wow. So insightful.

[C.M. Burns]

Ripcat Ripcat:

Yeah, teach an inmate a skill and then pay an employer to hire him on release while some poor law abiding shlub who worked hard to become skilled signs up for welfare because the subsidized inmate got the job....

Yes, I'm sure you can imagine all kinds of seemingly unfair scenarios. Doesn't make our society any safer, though.

[C.M. Burns]

Demian_164 Demian_164:

C.M. Burns : "we should be doing whatever is necessary to ensure that they don't re-offend."

I completely disagree with this statement. If people commit crimes it is not up to us to do whatever is necessary to ensure they dont re-offend. Its up to them. They are the criminals, they should be punished.

Great plan! How's that working for ya!
Not too well from the look of the crime stats, is it!

[EyeBrock]

So cartoon boy, what's your answer to this issue then?

[C.M. Burns]

Tman1 Tman1:

So, does this mean they get their education free or what? Say I'm in jail and want to be a 'Marine Biologist', they pay for me? If so, where's the nearest Mac's?

You're happy to pay for prisons and policing and courts and they haven't been that effective. The proof is clearly visible in our increasing crime rates. Why not be willing to pay for education which has demonstrated time and again to put a serious dent in recidivism. Quit whining about ridiculous scenarios and start paying for what works.

It's ridiculous, uninformed, angry people like you who prevent successful policies from being implemented thus making our streets more dangerous.

[ShepherdsDog]

a big group hug,

[C.M. Burns]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

So cartoon boy, what's your answer to this issue then?

Oh, good lord. Is that all you've got? Childish name calling?
Are you six years old? Are you imbued with superpowers due to YOUR choice of avatar?
Are you somehow superior because you chose a guy on a stamp?
Wait a second, I'll change my avatar to a depiction of God!
Ha! Got ya there!

idiot.

[ridenrain]

I'm dead against them learning a trade that others pay for, just because their in prison. That's a privilage they need to earn.

Making them buy credits and privilages through work that makes the prisons as self sufficient as possible is what I'd expect. Food, laundry, outsourced manual labour, etc. Not locksmithing, chemistry and martial arts though.

[C.M. Burns]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I'm dead against them learning a trade that others pay for, just because their in prison.

Then your dead against safer streets.

ridenrain ridenrain:

That's a privilage they need to earn.

No, it's rehabilitation that makes our streets safer.

ridenrain ridenrain:

Making them buy credits and privilages through work that makes the prisons as self sufficient as possible is what I'd expect. Food, laundry, outsourced manual labour, etc. Not locksmithing, chemistry and martial arts though.

I'm not against them paying for their upkeep.

[hwacker]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

angry people like you who prevent successful policies from being implemented thus making our streets more dangerous.

And it's tree (liberals) huggers like you that got us into the crap we have on Toronto streets.

[Demian_164]

all im saying is that we (taxpayers) shouldn't be expected to fork over extra cash so that criminals can get free education and training. They made their mistakes they can pay for it themselves. Id rather honest law abiding people get the free education. shit, why not me? im already 20 grand in debt from university, yet tuition prices keep going up and up every year. Why should a criminal get it easy and then expect me to foot the bill? Is that your idea of a just society? but oh right, you're just concerned with making the streets safer. well then why not impose martial law on the country? that would make it safer wouldnt it?

[ridenrain]

Quite agree. It's the same mentality that hands out free needles for drug addicts but demands that diabetics pay for their own.

After 13 years of having full controll over the justice industry, you'd expect it was perfect by now.

[EyeBrock]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

So cartoon boy, what's your answer to this issue then?

Oh, good lord. Is that all you've got? Childish name calling?
Are you six years old? Are you imbued with superpowers due to YOUR choice of avatar?
Are you somehow superior because you chose a guy on a stamp?
Wait a second, I'll change my avatar to a depiction of God!
Ha! Got ya there!

idiot.

So nothing constructive to add as usual. Cartoon all the way.

[Tman1]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

Tman1 Tman1:

So, does this mean they get their education free or what? Say I'm in jail and want to be a 'Marine Biologist', they pay for me? If so, where's the nearest Mac's?

You're happy to pay for prisons and policing and courts and they haven't been that effective. The proof is clearly visible in our increasing crime rates. Why not be willing to pay for education which has demonstrated time and again to put a serious dent in recidivism. Quit whining about ridiculous scenarios and start paying for what works.

It's ridiculous, uninformed, angry people like you who prevent successful policies from being implemented thus making our streets more dangerous.

I think you have me confused with somebody else. Otherwise I might mistake you for being angry, confused, and uninformed because I never said a word on anything so don't put words in my mouth thank you very much.

I'll let this one go by.

[EyeBrock]

Well, from the media releases on this, it would appear those nasty Tories want to try and train the losers of society in jail so that they can stop doing the shit that got them there and try a job instead.

A quote from CTV’s ‘Question Period’ by Stockwell Day:

"We'd like to see people being required to work if they are in jail. There are too many ways right now for people to avoid that," Mr. Day told CTV's Question Period.
"We're not looking at this in a punitive way. We want to see people, if they're going to be in jail for a number of years, let's get them in a training program, an apprentice program, maybe work towards a journeyman's certificate, some type of occupational standard that, when they finally are released from prison, they have some way of taking care of themselves, rather than doing that illegally."

Really, what is so wrong with this?

I just cannot understand the mentality of people who think that we should make jail cushy.

People sent to jail have usually committed many offences before our neutered judiciary actually hand down a custodial sentence.

These guys in Kingston et al are bad guys. Training them in a trade is preferable to just letting them rot.

Cartoon boy and your ilk, put forward an alternate plan we heartless Cons can mull over, or is your best effort just involve pissing on anything the Tories say?

Not very constructive really.