[ShepherdsDog]

....and seeing how the Americans were in cahoots with the Saudis and their oil policies, it leaves me suspicious of them.

[Thanos]

Yeah, it was all too close to the same period of time when anger over what Russia was doing in Ukraine began to boil over, especially when that passenger jet got shot down. The Arab over-supply increased dramatically right after that, which laid the second economic hammer down on Russia along with the already existing sanctions. That is was all just a repeat of what the Saudis and Reagan did back in the 1980's to nail the Soviet Union is just more proof that the US is willing to once again use that particular economic lever on the Russians any time they see fit too. Harper might have gotten dragged into it and not able to say anything about it publically, even as his home province is getting nuked by this policy, because he'd make such a loud spectacle of himself as one of the angriest critics of what Russia was doing in Ukraine. Cornered by his own propaganda, so to speak.

[andyt]

So one minute you're congratulating Trudeau for standing up to Suzuki and for supporting the oilsands and Keystone, the next you're coming out with the crap above. Sure is taking a long time for your meds to be stabilized.

Oh, and poor baby Harper. Sure seems to be sucking Saudi dick as loudly as anybody else. Guess it's more of that Saudi forced oral copulation we've been reading about.

[Thanos]

Well, it's an election campaign, doofus, so that means 90% of what they say can't be trusted. If Trudeau gets a minority and has to rely on the Dippers to prop him up, then that means the Libs take a massive tilt to the left. That means whatever Liberal policies are implemented are going to be infused with a high percentage of what the NDP wants, and after what Linda McQuaig said about Alberta that means an Liberal environmental policy more towards what the NDP wants and what the Liberals want being watered down.

You are aware of how this works, right? That the junior partner in a minority government has huge sway far beyond what their electoral numbers or the amount of seats they have would indicate? It's not that hard to figure out. And just because Trudeau essentially told Saint Suzuki to go fuck himself doesn't mean that he's suddenly immune to what hardcore environmentalists want. He certainly won't be if he ends up in a weakened position where he's relying on the likes of the NDP for his governments survival.

[andyt]

Linda McQuaig isn't the NDP either, and actually what she said it true. We're never going to dig up all the oilsands, at current prices we're not even going to start new projects, and the world is moving inexorably towards reducing GHG emissions, no matter what sweet nothings Steveo is whispering in your ear. She may be on the more radical side of that push, but that push is coming either way. Better to go with it and do it in an orderly, planned, fashion than being forced kicking and screaming into it while the world more and more demonizes us (whether fairly or unfairly). I mean it sucks, but I got out of forestry before that took a big hit in BC.


You can't stop the waves, but you can learn to surf.

[Jabberwalker]

andyt andyt:

Linda McQuaig isn't the NDP either, and actually what she said it true. We're never going to dig up all the oilsands, at current prices we're not even going to start new projects, and the world is moving inexorably towards reducing GHG emissions, no matter what sweet nothings Steveo is whispering in your ear. She may be on the more radical side of that push, but that push is coming either way. Better to go with it and do it in an orderly, planned, fashion than being forced kicking and screaming into it while the world more and more demonizes us (whether fairly or unfairly). I mean it sucks, but I got out of forestry before that took a big hit in BC.


You can't stop the waves, but you can learn to surf.

Linda is dead wrong. Every molecule of the tar sands and eventually every other marginal deposit of petroleum will be mined. It will have little or nothing to do with burning the stuff. It is far too valuable to waste in such a manner ( people in the future will think with horror that we used to burn huge amounts of the stuff).

We will need it for materials. There is no substitute for the range of materials that we derive from petroleum. The staff is EVERYWHERE in our lives. Our bodies almost never leave contact with a oetroleum-based cloth, solid plastic, medicine, toothpaste, ....

[andyt]

We can make that stuff from plants, afaik, just costs more. That's where it originally came from anyway. If my buddies in uni could make cocaine out of plexiglass, seems to me just about anything is possible.

[ShepherdsDog]

The fact that you were snorting powdered methyl methacrylate explains so much.

[Jabberwalker]

andyt andyt:

We can make that stuff from plants, afaik, just costs more. That's where it originally came from anyway. If my buddies in uni could make cocaine out of plexiglass, seems to me just about anything is possible.

We make a lot of plastics from soybean. On a planet of twelve billion, we will need to grow soybeans for food, instead. Those unmined petroleum resources are going to end up as vastly more valuable to our descendants than we can imagine, probably.

The will also end up stripmining our landfill dumps for their valuable refined metals and petrochemical products. Both represent a lot of stored energy and will be seen as a hyper-rich ore.

[andyt]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The fact that you were snorting powdered methyl methacrylate explains so much.

The fact that you are stupid enough to think that grinding up plexiglass turns it into a cocaine analog says a lot too. It certainly wasn't methyl methacrylate by the time they were thru with it - to the point the RCMP started sniffing around. Guess they got a little too carried away with their "experiment."

[andyt]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

andyt andyt:

We can make that stuff from plants, afaik, just costs more. That's where it originally came from anyway. If my buddies in uni could make cocaine out of plexiglass, seems to me just about anything is possible.

We make a lot of plastics from soybean. On a planet of twelve billion, we will need to grow soybeans for food, instead. Those unmined petroleum resources are going to end up as vastly more valuable to our descendants than we can imagine, probably.

The will also end up stripmining our landfill dumps for their valuable refined metals and petrochemical products. Both represent a lot of stored energy and will be seen as a hyper-rich ore.

I doubt we'll ever get to 12 billion. The 4 horsemen will have ridden before then, or at least one of them. Or the ones they didn't know about in old times - asteroid, super volcano, etc.

[Jabberwalker]

I'll bet that Linda McQuaig doesn't preach about runaway human fecundity in the Third World. Her politics would not allow for that but, really, that is the ultimate root cause of all of our environmental crises ... there are already way too many of us.

[andyt]

I agree, biggest fail of the environmental movement.

[Thanos]

The melting permafrost in Siberia is full of almost sorts of long frozen bacteria and viruses. Maybe one of those will break loose and knock the world population down to a hundred million or so.

[Jabberwalker]

Thanos Thanos:

The melting permafrost in Siberia is full of almost sorts of long frozen bacteria and viruses. Maybe one of those will break loose and knock the world population down to a hundred million or so.

It's frozen Mastadon shit, forty feet deep.