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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:08 am
 


PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
I remember when businesses would state, "If you enjoyed your experience with us, please tell your friends". Now it's more like "If you enjoyed your experience with us, tell your friends. If you didn't enjoy it, you better keep your trap shut, or else!"


I just did a review of the hotel we stayed at last week. I listed the hotel as excellent and the staff as great. My only complaint was with other guests and their failure to adhere to pool rules - unsupervised kids, diving into the 3 ft end, and wearing their shoes around the pool and hot tub - and the fact that they couldn't respect appropriate times and levels for noise. Three in the morning is not a great time to allow your kids to run up and down the halls screaming and banging on people's doors, nor is it appropriate to fight with each other in the hallway, about who is sober enough to be driving back to LaLoche in four hours


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:20 am
 


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bootlegga bootlegga:
I thought that at first, but she must have been too specific. So, because of her complaints to their office, they were able to put two and two together and figure out who posted it.

Given that she probably gave them an updated address to forward her mail, it wasn't very hard to send her a letter to her new place.


I'm going with the website ratted her out. It's fairly easy to back trace who is connected to an IP, once you know what it is. The details would have given her up too, assuming they don't do this to everyone. Which I don't doubt! These companies will scam till they are blue in the face!

And the post office gets the change of address, not the landlord. ;)


It's possible the website ratted her out, but some people aren't the sharpest knives in drawer and do things that would astound you.


Me? :twisted:

Yea, you're probably right. I like to lament that I'm pretty jaded, but every year they seem to invent a better idiot!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:44 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
bootlegga bootlegga:
It's possible the website ratted her out, but some people aren't the sharpest knives in drawer and do things that would astound you.


Me? :twisted:

Yea, you're probably right. I like to lament that I'm pretty jaded, but every year they seem to invent a better idiot!



Heck no, I'd say you're very sharp, right up there with Zip and Dayseed.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:01 am
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
bootlegga bootlegga:
It's possible the website ratted her out, but some people aren't the sharpest knives in drawer and do things that would astound you.


Me? :twisted:

Yea, you're probably right. I like to lament that I'm pretty jaded, but every year they seem to invent a better idiot!


Heck no, I'd say you're very sharp, right up there with Zip and Dayseed.


No no! I meant they do things that wouldn't astound me, not that I'm one of the dull knives. I'm not often surprised by the bounds of human stupidity, but then jj24 posts something. . . ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:23 am
 


I would like to know how they got the personal information without a warrant. If the site didn't release the information or gave it out without a warrant then they must have hacked the site.

However, how many people give a real name when registering for something like that, most people I know keep a couple of separate email accounts just for registering on sites. Even if they obtained the IP that doesn't trace back to a name and address. Something is fishy here.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:34 am
 


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PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
I remember when businesses would state, "If you enjoyed your experience with us, please tell your friends". Now it's more like "If you enjoyed your experience with us, tell your friends. If you didn't enjoy it, you better keep your trap shut, or else!"


I just did a review of the hotel we stayed at last week. I listed the hotel as excellent and the staff as great. My only complaint was with other guests and their failure to adhere to pool rules - unsupervised kids, diving into the 3 ft end, and wearing their shoes around the pool and hot tub - and the fact that they couldn't respect appropriate times and levels for noise. Three in the morning is not a great time to allow your kids to run up and down the halls screaming and banging on people's doors, nor is it appropriate to fight with each other in the hallway, about who is sober enough to be driving back to LaLoche in four hours


I posted a review about a motel I stayed at on one of those company websites that sell discount hotel rooms rates.

The review of the Motel was great and expounded on my experience with it, but because I had a huge amount of trouble with the booking website that included everything from blatant lies, and failure to inform the Motel we had pets which almost meant no room, I wrote them a negative review at the end of my good one for the Motel.

I went back a day or so later to see if it had been posted and it hadn't. So being an obstinate old prick I wrote another one. Same thing, they deleted it because it didn't reflect well on them. Then the emails started, no threats but requests informing me that I had to rewrite my review positively about them or it wouldn't be posted.

Needless to say, they can go fuck themselves because I'll never use their website again and as a matter of fact I discovered that if you contact most of the motels and when they give you a rate inform them that you can get it cheaper on one of the booking websites they'll give you the room for the booking rate or in some cases a cheaper rate. So for me it's good bye middleman and hello front desk.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:44 am
 


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I would like to know how they got the personal information without a warrant. If the site didn't release the information or gave it out without a warrant then they must have hacked the site.


Does the new Apple OS get a warrant every time you do something and it send that info back to Apple? No, it just sends it - because you agreed to that in the 'Terms of Service' that no one reads and Apple hires an army of Lawyers to defend. Websites are the same way, it's public and you have no reasonable expectation of privacy.

Besides, they don't have to give personal information about you, just the publicly available IP address.

redhatmamma redhatmamma:
However, how many people give a real name when registering for something like that, most people I know keep a couple of separate email accounts just for registering on sites. Even if they obtained the IP that doesn't trace back to a name and address. Something is fishy here.


The IP traces back to the ISP it's registered to. Law enforcement can they request who was using that IP at the time, as it's usually in the logs. You can also get the computer on the end of that IP to give up quite a bit of information, if you know how. All you have to do is name your computer 'RedHatMamma' and that's all the information needed. Then the company looks up your name in it's records, and the rest is trivial. As other said too, if the details she posted are unique, then finding out who she is in their own records is also trivial.

Social engineering really is easier than breaking into computers.


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I haven't read what she said, but I'm leaning towards the company figured out who it was, by what she wrote. She probably made the exact statements to them when she left so it may not have been that hard at all to figure it out.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:54 am
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
Heck no, I'd say you're very sharp, right up there with Zip and Dayseed.


Hayseed--dumb as a post. Me smart like dump truck!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:59 am
 


Increasingly more common than threat of legal action is a fine for "non-disparagement" from the company for providing a negative review (whether true or not) and burying that little gem of clause in the fine print of their terms and conditions, thus they get around the pesky "law thing" by saying you agreed to it.




Check out this story:

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Can a company stop you from writing a negative online review?

You're entitled to your opinion – just be prepared for possible legal consequences if you share it online.

A growing number of companies now have "non-disparagement clauses" in their contracts or terms of use. They limit a customer's right to comment on social media sites such as Yelp about the product or service they purchased – even if that comment or review is truthful and accurate.

A non-disparagement clause might look something like this:

Any disputes between the parties remain confidential. Customers shall not make or encourage others to make any public statement that is intended to, or reasonably could be foreseen to, embarrass or criticize the company or its employees, without obtaining prior written approval from the company.

"Non-disparagement clauses have the potential to create a profound chilling effect," said Andy Sellars with the Harvard Law School's Cyberlaw Clinic. "Their mere existence may scare consumers from writing a review in the first place."


....A hotel in Hudson, N.Y. received a great deal of unwanted publicity this summer when its no-negative-review policy for weddings was made public. The hotel told couples they'd be charged $500 for any negative comment posted by the wedding party or any guests about their stay at the inn. As CNBC reported after the social media backlash, the owner issued a statement saying the policy was "intended as joke" and not something employees were told to enforce.

Ellen Zavian, a law professor at George Washington University, told NBC News this is not an isolated case.

"I'm seeing these types of clauses in more and more contracts – doctors, dentists, architects and software providers," she said

When Zavian went to see a new doctor, she found a non-disparagement clause in the paperwork she was asked to sign.

"It said I was not allowed to say anything, not even something positive, about my experience," she recalled. "They refused to take it out and I refused to be seen. So, I walked out."

Zavian, who teaches a course on entrepreneurship at GWU, advises her students that non-disparagement clauses are bad for businesses, because they can backfire and alienate customers.

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Does anyone really try to enforce these non-disparagement clauses?

Yes, they do.

In 2008, John Palmer ordered Christmas gifts for his wife, Jen, from an online retailer called KlearGear. When the merchandise didn't arrive, Jen started calling the company and found it impossible to reach anyone on the phone. She shared her frustration on the website Ripoff Report.

In 2012, more than four years later, KlearGear slapped the Palmers with a $3,500 fine for that negative review. The company cited its anti-disparagement clause which read, in part:


In an effort to ensure fair and honest public feedback, and to prevent the publishing of libelous content in any form, your acceptance of this sales contract prohibits you from taking any action that negatively impacts KlearGear.com, its reputation, products, services, management or employees.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102032954#.


It should be noted that the Palmers tried to get Ripoff Report to take down the post, just to resolve the issue, but the website only does so if you pay $2,000 fee and declare the statement to be false. They were sent to a colleciton agency for the $3,500 "fine" and their credit rating was damaged. They eventually won their lawsuit in court and were awareded $306,750 because KlearGear failed to repond to the suit or appear (thus the law was never tested).


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