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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:30 pm
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 8:08 pm
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:33 pm
DanSC DanSC: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: Well, he may not be the brightest bulb in the pack or have great "King" potential... He has more King potential than anyone, though he has only slightly more than his son and grandson. Do tell. What makes you think he'd make a better King than Prince William, or Prince George? I'd say given his record of cheating on his wife with a married woman while first in line to the throne probably puts him second only to King Edward the VIII when it comes to King Potential.
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raybright
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:26 am
I really think its ridiculous how everybody compares politicians, who don't bend over for other countries, to hitler...I know its easy to puke out the "he's-like-hitler"-Canon, but its not really that smart.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:23 am
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: DanSC DanSC: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: Well, he may not be the brightest bulb in the pack or have great "King" potential... He has more King potential than anyone, though he has only slightly more than his son and grandson. Do tell. What makes you think he'd make a better King than Prince William, or Prince George? I'd say given his record of cheating on his wife with a married woman while first in line to the throne probably puts him second only to King Edward the VIII when it comes to King Potential. Well, Prince George is still sucking his mom's teat so I'll reserve judgment there, and Prince William is coming into his own and pretty much the same age as Grandma when she ascended to the throne. And his actions since becoming an adult lead me to believe he'd be a great King. But Charles has been preparing to ascend for many decades. I also don't agree 100% with his credibility because of his infidelity and divorce, but I also don't blame him for following his heart and abandoning what was more or less an arranged marriage to Diana. Following him for as long as I have, I've realized he is essentially as good as person as the Queen, and that he actually cares about all the causes he champions. It's not just lip service as many politicians pay to the causes they champion.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:29 am
raybright raybright: I really think its ridiculous how everybody compares politicians, who don't bend over for other countries, to hitler...I know its easy to puke out the "he's-like-hitler"-Canon, but its not really that smart. Except the parallels between Hitler and the annexation of the Sudatenland and Poland pretty much mirror Putin and the Ukraine. Putin is also the ultimate control freak, as evidenced by any domestic reporter that dares investigate how a short highway in Sochi cost 9 Billion dollars suddenly winds up dead; or any business man that accuses him of corruption gets a Scotch and polonium cocktail; or any politician that won't play ball with him gets too much dioxin in their dinner . . . They were short men, mid-level functionaries that are overcompensating for some lack of physical attributes I'm sure. Other than the mustache, the parallels are just coincidental, for sure.
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andyt
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:34 am
It's got nothing to do with whether Putin is or isn't Hitler. It's Charles' role, as heir to the throne. He's not supposed to get involved in politics. If our GG started voicing political opinions, we wouldn't be too keen on it either. And again, I wonder if the people defending Charles would do so if they didn't agree with his opinion?
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:39 am
andyt andyt: It's got nothing to do with whether Putin is or isn't Hitler. It's Charles' role, as heir to the throne. He's not supposed to get involved in politics. If our GG started voicing political opinions, we wouldn't be too keen on it either. And again, I wonder if the people defending Charles would do so if they didn't agree with his opinion? Why is he not allowed to get involved in politics? That's a pretty arbitrary standard to hold a potential world leader to. And why can he not have a private conversation about politics?
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andyt
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:43 am
It's the role he plays, and you know it. He can have all the private conversations on politics he wants - being on an official tour chatting with strangers isn't one of those times. His job is to keep a sock in it. Not really that hard. Or resign as heir and get into politics if he wants.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 7:00 am
andyt andyt: It's the role he plays, and you know it. As future head of State, there is no rule against it. And you know it. andyt andyt: He can have all the private conversations on politics he wants - being on an official tour chatting with strangers isn't one of those times. Wait, he can have all the private conversations he wants, but he can't have private conversations if he wants? Because, the whole article is about a private conversation that someone else reported, and you know it. andyt andyt: His job is to keep a sock in it. Not really that hard. Or resign as heir and get into politics if he wants. No, as heir to the throne, his job is to be as well informed as he can be in order to best serve the state(s) he will lead. If he happens to develop an opinion in the process, that can only serve to guide him in leading those states - providing it agrees with the people's opinion.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 7:07 am
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: DanSC DanSC: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: Well, he may not be the brightest bulb in the pack or have great "King" potential... He has more King potential than anyone, though he has only slightly more than his son and grandson. Do tell. What makes you think he'd make a better King than Prince William, or Prince George? I'd say given his record of cheating on his wife with a married woman while first in line to the throne probably puts him second only to King Edward the VIII when it comes to King Potential. I'm hoping that Queen Elizabeth will skip Charles and give the Crown to William. Charles and Camilla on the throne would not serve the institution well.
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andyt
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 7:07 am
So he should take a poll before he has a private conversation? He can only hold opinions that agree with the people?
Heir to the throne is an official position. In that position he has to bite his tongue. You've never seen the Queen do this, in her many years of reign, because she knows better.
Personally I think Chuck and the monarchy are irrelevant. But since they're paid by the public purse and have a serious public function, they need to live within the parameters that come with the function. That's why even tho it's a cushy job, most people wouldn't want it - you're playing a role and are always on.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 7:19 am
andyt andyt: It's the role he plays, and you know it. He can have all the private conversations on politics he wants - being on an official tour chatting with strangers isn't one of those times. His job is to keep a sock in it. Not really that hard. Or resign as heir and get into politics if he wants. He is capable of defining his role. Monarchs don't have to fit within a cookie cutter.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 7:20 am
GreenTiger GreenTiger: I'm hoping that Queen Elizabeth will skip Charles and give the Crown to William. Charles and Camilla on the throne would not serve the institution well.
How so?
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 7:22 am
andyt andyt: So he should take a poll before he has a private conversation? He can only hold opinions that agree with the people? That is basically what you would have him do. andyt andyt: Heir to the throne is an official position. In that position he has to bite his tongue. You've never seen the Queen do this, in her many years of reign, because she knows better. The Queen does not hold press conferences to discuss her views, because that is 'politics' which she does not engage in. She does have many private opinions, and she does issue press releases on many subjects, like gay rights and gender equality - and condemning things like terror attacks. And just listen to one of her Christmas messages, and tell me she should 'bite her tongue' and keep them to herself. Because that is her job. And most people, after having a private discussion with Her Majesty, would have the couth to keep that conversation to themselves. andyt andyt: Personally I think Chuck and the monarchy are irrelevant. But since they're paid by the public purse and have a serious public function, they need to live within the parameters that come with the function. That's why even tho it's a cushy job, most people wouldn't want it - you're playing a role and are always on. I know you do, and you are perfectly entitled to hold the incorrect opinion. But no where in any Commonwealth countries' constitutions does it discuss the moral or civil obligations or responsibilities of the Royal Heir. I like my Monarchs with compassion, as well as brains, and that required holding personal opinions and acting on them when appropriate.
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