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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:22 pm
 


Robair Robair:
Now they're trying it. I think that's cool.


Mans past record of manipulating our environment is one reason NOT to try this. 8O


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:24 pm
 


raydan raydan:
Does anybody have a good example of humans messing with Mother Nature in the past and it working out in a good way?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:02 pm
 


raydan raydan:
Does anybody have a good example of humans messing with Mother Nature in the past and it working out in a good way?

Agriculture, flood controls, clothes, domestication of animals.

Should I keep going?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:25 pm
 


Xort Xort:
raydan raydan:
Does anybody have a good example of humans messing with Mother Nature in the past and it working out in a good way?

Agriculture, flood controls, clothes, domestication of animals.

Should I keep going?

None of those have done ANY good to the planet...

Agriculture : desertification and deforestation
Flood controls : flooding can bring benefits, such as making soil more fertile and providing nutrients
Clothes : ???
Domestication of animals : making them better for our needs results in the weakening of the species and one side effect of domestication has been zoonotic diseases


Should I keep going?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:02 pm
 


raydan raydan:
None of those have done ANY good to the planet...
Questionable, but they have done a lot for people, and as a person rather than a celestial object I think helping people is more important.
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Agriculture : desertification and deforestation
Feeds billions of people.
Also you would need to prove that deserts are bad and forests are good if you want to claim the change is overall bad.
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Clothes : ???
No clothes means no people living outside the tropics. In the natural state humans are naked.
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Domestication of animals : making them better for our needs results in the weakening of the species and one side effect of domestication has been zoonotic diseases
Which still makes human lives better. And I'm not sure they are weaker for being domesticated.
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Should I keep going?

Please do, unless you are just anti human, which some enviromentalists are. I have no time for those people. If you hate humanity so much kill yourself, I'll follow you if you lead the way, honest.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:11 pm
 


Flood control is actually quite interesting., We don't actually control them. What we have done is traded more-or-less annual, low severity flooding events for low-probability, high-consequence flooding events. New Orleans is a good example. The same principle applies to foirest fires. Forest fire prevention measures lead to less frequent but more severe fires.


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Xort Xort:
Please do, unless you are just anti human, which some enviromentalists are. I have no time for those people. If you hate humanity so much kill yourself, I'll follow you if you lead the way, honest.

Nah, I'm not anti human, even though I'm starting to believe that a massive kill-off will be the only way to save this planet in the long run. I just don't like the fact that we're shitting in the same bowl we eat out of.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:40 pm
 


I was listening to CBC radio in my Jeep on my way back from hunting yesterday evening (16th) about 6:45 and they were interviewing Disney in detail. A very interesting interview that de-bunked a lot of the opposition. If anyone's interested in finding a podcast of the interview they can do so by checking the programming schedule date and time. I didn't catch the name of the program.

Worth your while if you're interested in the topic and want to delve into it more than just knee-jerk reaction deep.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:42 pm
 


Jonny_C Jonny_C:
I was listening to CBC radio in my Jeep on my way back from hunting yesterday evening (16th) about 6:45 and they were interviewing Disney in detail. A very interesting interview that de-bunked a lot of the opposition. If anyone's interested in finding a podcast of the interview they can do so by checking the programming schedule date and time. I didn't catch the name of the program.

Worth your while if you're interested in the topic and want to delve into it more than just knee-jerk reaction deep.


How would listening to Disney debunk it? What would make him more creditable than any other source that didn't support what he was doing?


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Gunnair Gunnair:
Jonny_C Jonny_C:
How would listening to Disney debunk it? What would make him more creditable than any other source that didn't support what he was doing?


I'd suggest listening to the interview and judging for yourself.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:52 pm
 


The program was "As it Happens". Here's the link:

http://www.cbc.ca/asithappens/features/ ... aida-guii/

Look on the right-hand side for "Latest Audio", then scroll down to Geo-Engineering Part 2 to hear the 7 minute interview.

I didn't realize it was Part 2. I'm going to give a listen to Part 1 right now.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:04 pm
 


Jonny_C Jonny_C:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Jonny_C Jonny_C:
How would listening to Disney debunk it? What would make him more creditable than any other source that didn't support what he was doing?


I'd suggest listening to the interview and judging for yourself.


Okay. You have no answer for your opinion though?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:57 pm
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
Okay. You have no answer for your opinion though?


OK, I've listened to both parts now. Did you give a listen by chance?

Part 1 was some vague warnings and some vague speculations about who knew what. Also some attempt to paint the businessman behind it as disreputable. It wasn't really a hatchet job, but kind of short on specifics.

The interview with Disney (Part 2) was very informative and unless Disney was telling one bald-faced lie after another, the experiment may have been worth what it will tell us. Nothing on its scale has been done anywhere in the world, apparently.

It's an interesting topic, so I will read more about it whenever it comes up in the weeks ahead and see what other experts say about it.

BTW I called the interview with Disney "debunking" because of the detail he used to refute criticisms. He sounded pretty convincing but whether his debunking sticks is another matter.

Some of this will not make sense to you if you haven't heard the podcaasts.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:12 am
 


Jonny_C Jonny_C:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Jonny_C Jonny_C:
How would listening to Disney debunk it? What would make him more creditable than any other source that didn't support what he was doing?


I'd suggest listening to the interview and judging for yourself.


"Almost sure we knew what would happen..." not a great start.

No names of scientists, no scientific research centres quoted as supporting it (not the nonsense he syays of NOAA for example), no studies suggesting the low levels of oxygen that existed, no science to support what he said is true save for what he's saying in a radio interview.

I'd like to hear the scientists and organizations that support this. NOAA is not quite so keen on it as he suggests.

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On Wednesday, a statement from NOAA said the agency had no idea their ocean drifters were being used for anything except a salmon research project.

"We are disappointed that we were misled," it said.

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/technology ... z29fSXqapc


Debunked? Uh...no way in hell.

Add to that, this guy is the economic development officer, not a scientist.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:32 am
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
. The same principle applies to foirest fires. Forest fire prevention measures lead to less frequent but more severe fires.



When the reverse would probably be more beneficial.


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