[andyt]

I think teachers are more important to society than nurses or firefighters (not that they're not important). You wouldn't have a society without them. Teachers should be very well paid, we should hire only the best and give them support to do a good job.

I'm going to bet that cops and firefighters at least are paid for training. Teachers don't. Teachers spend a lot more time in the day than just teaching.

[BeaverFever]

Dont forget all the time they spend after hours at home, grading tests, reading essays, marking homework, writing report cards, keeping journals (at least on the problem students), planning activities, etc.

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

The teacher spends time from 8:20 till 2:15 with my child, excluding including breaks, except for the 14 weeks of the year where I cant wait for the little buggers to go back to school, aside from the bank holidays [If I cant have them nobody should] and Pro-D-days[where the teachers are in class all day learning how to teach and care for my kids.] I get paid 0 [because they're my kids and not by professional occupation].

I've returned you writing assignment to you, with the necessary corrections.

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Breaks are NOT spent with the kids by their teachers, but by volunteer parents.
School holidays are NOT spent with the kids by their teachers, regardless of what they do with their time.
Bank holidays or pro-D-days are NOT spent with the kids (maybe FOR the kids, but not WITH the kids)
Yes, they are mine, and I have to work to feed them too, for a boss who does not give me 14 weeks off of sends me home at 2:15.

YOU claimed teachers spend more time with MY kid than I do.

You failed.

[fifeboy]

Brenda Brenda:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Brenda Brenda:

I don't think teachers are in the same league as first responders, nurses etc.
Teachers do not really save lives or deal with the trauma that comes with that on a daily basis. They deal with pissed parents, sometimes. boo fucking hoo.

Teachers do, however, get to deal with the children of f@$)(&!ed up parents. Boo boo!

They knew that when they chose to be teachers. Or wait, no, of course, they became teachers because they wanted to "teach the children", because it is "ALL for the children", right?

Why Brenda, you are right! How wonderful. Teachers do it for a number of reasons, just like police, doctors and construction workers. One of the main ones is wanting to work with kids. It's not always easy, working with kids but it's what we do. Don't like it or how we do it than elect a government that will get rid of public education. Teaching is hard work and although I never complained about it, underpaid!

[bootlegga]

Brenda Brenda:

A teacher can't live on $70K/yr?
The mechanic that makes sure you get to work safely makes 2/3rd of that. Also only has 10, 15 paid days off/yr. Just sayin.

You can't compare two vastly different careers like that - it's apples and oranges.

[Brenda]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Dont forget all the time they spend after hours at home, grading tests, reading essays, marking homework, writing report cards, keeping journals (at least on the problem students), planning activities, etc.

Again, kids grade their own work, mark their own homework, teachers do not write report cards because they are on strike (other than that, that is all computerized by now anyway), and the activities outside of school are not necessarily planned by the teacher as well by PAC.
There is no teacher to be reached after 3:30.

[Brenda]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Brenda Brenda:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Why Brenda, you are right! How wonderful. Teachers do it for a number of reasons, just like police, doctors and construction workers. One of the main ones is wanting to work with kids. It's not always easy, working with kids but it's what we do. Don't like it or how we do it than elect a government that will get rid of public education. Teaching is hard work and although I never complained about it, underpaid!

I don't agree that teachers are underpaid. And since they are paid from my taxes, I have the right to express my opinion, whether you like it or not.

[Tricks]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Sorry, but police foundations is a useless course unless you want to be a security guard.

Any college or university education is a great starting point for Cops, but police foundations isn't a must....in fact most officers I know make fun of the guys that come out of the program.

Oh I agree, but Police Foundations is pretty much the bare minimum at this point, so I had to include it.

[Lemmy]

Tricks Tricks:

However, teachers receive 2 months vacation in the summer. That's almost 17% less work. Suddenly the numbers make a bit more sense, with the exception of firefighters. I'm shocked they don't make more.

If we're going to play the numbers game, how many minutes in a 10 hour shift are a police officer or fireman actually working as opposed to sitting around waiting for something to (maybe) happen? I'd argue a teacher does a lot more 'working' in a 70 minute lesson than a fireman does all week. You can't compare different professions in the manner you're attempting.

[Tricks]

andyt andyt:

I think teachers are more important to society than nurses or firefighters (not that they're not important). You wouldn't have a society without them. Teachers should be very well paid, we should hire only the best and give them support to do a good job.

I'm going to bet that cops and firefighters at least are paid for training. Teachers don't. Teachers spend a lot more time in the day than just teaching.

Four things.

1. Wouldn't have a society without teachers? I'm curious as to why you say that.

2. How would your healthcare be without nurses? Oh right, virtually non-existant.

3. Go say what you said to people who were pulled out of burning buildings.

4. Sure they do, they sit at a desk and tell kids to be quiet. Funny I do more than that to aggressive drunk adults for a fraction of the pay!

I'm not sure how it works for police and firefighters to be honest, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have to pay for all the medical qualifications at the very least.

[Tricks]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Dont forget all the time they spend after hours at home, grading tests, reading essays, marking homework, writing report cards, keeping journals (at least on the problem students), planning activities, etc.

Implying any of that is difficult or can be remotely considered work. Fuck do it while watching House.

[andyt]

It all starts with learning. You can't have nurses without teachers. Cops would just be mindless brutes without them. Learning is the foundation of what makes us human.

I don't know if cops or firefighters have to pay for their first aid training, but I doubt it. Cops are paid while they train, as are firefighters. There's nothing like that for teachers.

[fifeboy]

Brenda Brenda:

I don't agree that teachers are underpaid. And since they are paid from my taxes, I have the right to express my opinion, whether you like it or not.

Teachers are paid what they are paid. I never complained. And just for your information, teachers, doctors, paramedics, cops and secretaries in government offices are all paid be my taxes as well. It's only because parents do such a crappy job on their parts that they feel it necessary to diss teachers. And, just for your info, I spent 30 years supervising at recess, before school and after school. Just for your information.

[Tricks]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Tricks Tricks:

However, teachers receive 2 months vacation in the summer. That's almost 17% less work. Suddenly the numbers make a bit more sense, with the exception of firefighters. I'm shocked they don't make more.

If we're going to play the numbers game, how many minutes in a 10 hour shift are a police officer or fireman actually working as opposed to sitting around waiting for something to (maybe) happen? I'd argue a teacher does a lot more 'working' in a 70 minute lesson than a fireman does all week. You can't compare different professions in the manner you're attempting.

Maybe teaching has changed in the last 5 years, but all of my teachers "taught" for 20 minutes, assigned work, and sat waiting for questions.

Firefighters have to remain in good physical condition and maintain all their equipment so it doesn't fail on them, so they're constantly maintaining.

Police may not look like they're doing anything, but they could be patrolling or filling out their paper work while they wait for a call. Or they're shooting radar. Or they're doing XYZ.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Brenda Brenda:

A teacher can't live on $70K/yr?
The mechanic that makes sure you get to work safely makes 2/3rd of that. Also only has 10, 15 paid days off/yr. Just sayin.

You can't compare two vastly different careers like that - it's apples and oranges.

But think about how important mechanics are in society. Without them, fewer people would be able to get to work reliably and on-time. Core areas of cities would be even more crowded since almost everyone would want to live close to work so they can get to work.
Cities that are already having trouble funding mass transit would find themselves with the monumental task of coming up with more money for mass transit.
My God man, western society would be paralyzed without these paragons of automotive repair. Especially as auto makers continue to make cars less and less accessible to fix and service for the average person and backyard mechanics.


/smart-ass mode off