[2Cdo]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Face it: it's ok when it's Liberals and it BS when it's conservatives. Your view of the political landscape is more simplistic than a Saturday morning cartoon....much like your simplistic views and bighotted predjudices of the people in this country.

Like so many others here, he is just a party hack. A mouthpiece for the Libs who refuses to have even the slightest bit of objectivity.

Based on this little gem,

$1:

The worst Liberal party is better than the best Conservative party.

A political genius this one.

[Curtman]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Um, no. First off at the time he was claiming there was no need for stimulus (admittedly a bit of a knee-jerk reaction) the jury was still out among analysts and economists as to whether or not stimulus was needed or how much. Haper wisely chose to what and see what our (80%) trade partner was going to do, and how much they were going to put up.

I'm so glad you said that, and I didn't have to.

He waited until the U.S. formulated a strategy, and tried to apply that to our economy.

[Frederick]

Wow. A whole lot of really angry back-and-forth here. But here's how I see it.

The Conservatives have done a lacklustre job at stimulating the economy, and have saddled us with a mountain of debt for it based on a dogmatic insistence that taxes can only ever go down. But whatever. This isn't enough for Canadians to turf them as a government.

Dion sucked ass, but despite all Liberal hopes, Iggy isn't doing much better. He came out swinging, but has made some rookie mistakes and now disappeared.

The NDP and Bloc haven't moved.

If an election was next week, I think the Conservatives would lose a few seats, and the Liberals pick up a few, but not many. They'd each wind up somewhere between what they got in 2006 and 2008.

Harper, Layton, and Duceppe are all old faces, and probably don't have any new ideas. Iggy may have a few ideas, and so he may have some capacity to change the landscape, but I kind of doubt it.

Barring some new development, this is how I see it staying for the next several months, or even years.

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Um, no. First off at the time he was claiming there was no need for stimulus (admittedly a bit of a knee-jerk reaction) the jury was still out among analysts and economists as to whether or not stimulus was needed or how much. Haper wisely chose to what and see what our (80%) trade partner was going to do, and how much they were going to put up.

I'm so glad you said that, and I didn't have to.

He waited until the U.S. formulated a strategy, and tried to apply that to our economy.

Ah yes, so the rest of the Countries that did the same, all following the US too?

Stimulus that was tied together wouldn't be cause the US is our largest trading partner? Of course not.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

He waited until the U.S. formulated a strategy, and tried to apply that to our economy.

If you don't know why that makes perfect sense then I'm surprised you can breath without a reminder. I'm sure this'll signal the start of a "Harper is a Bush puppet" crap which will probably work since I don't have the time to prove to you that Martin (who i liked) and Chrétien both worked to make closer economical ties with the US than Harper has. (you;ll remember Chrétien ran on the platform he would dump NAFTA and instead embraced it after the election)

However if you'd like to try thinking for yourself for a change, without bias, you'd consider that since one of the biggest threats at the time was to the auto industry on both sides of the border then this plan makes even more sense.

Face it: your whole Harper = Bush line is just a propaganda smear that you took hook line and sinker. When I show you that your man Iggy is 2 steps left of Genghis Khan and actually IS an American (as opposed to an American wannabie which you accuse Harper of being) you still sit there parroting the same nonsense.

You don't think. You contract that responsibility out to others.

[Akhenaten]

Frederick Frederick:

If an election was next week, I think the Conservatives would lose a
few seats, and the Liberals pick up a few, but not many. They'd each wind up somewhere between what they got in 2006 and 2008.

That's probably right on the money. Trading Iggy for Dion probably saved us from a Conservative majority next election which I don't think too many people want to see.

[Curtman]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

If you don't know why that makes perfect sense then I'm surprised you can breath without a reminder.

You should realize how our country is full of social programs that the U.S. only wishes it had, and how we have more effective ways to channel money to people who need it.

The Americans can throw money out the door, because that's about all they can do.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

You should realize how our country is full of social programs that the U.S. only wishes it had, and how we have more effective ways to channel money to people who need it.

....Has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said or the logic at the time of seeing what the US was going to do with their auto industry in order to see what should be done here. Harper could've dumped a whole bunch of money into the auto industry early, specifically GM, then a month later GM could've turned around and dismantled itself if the US didn't bail them out. Then that money would've been wasted.

This and our conversation have zero to do with a pissing match between the US and Canada on who has more social programs. I would say "good diversion" but it's a little pathetic actually.

[159shoes]

I'm a cheap knock off thief. I spam without remorse and only want your money.

I am lowest form of life on the internet. Please remove me and others like me from e-life. We will never be worthy.

[Curtman]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

This and our conversation have zero to do with a pissing match between the US and Canada on who has more social programs. I would say "good diversion" but it's a little pathetic actually.

Yeah, diversion.. When we're talking about how the stimulus program could have been better spent using programs we have that the U.S. does not have.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

When we're talking about how the stimulus program could have been better spent using programs we have that the U.S. does not have.

Oh yeah for sure eh? I mean it's not like all of Ontario wasn't screaming blue murder over their auto sector. I can still hear the echo from Ontario: "Me.Me.Me.Me.Gimmie.Gimmie.Gimmie."

Get real. You want to spend 'stimulus' money on non-stimulus programs that survive through tax money --- which is not earned without people working to pay taxes --- which only happens when people are working --- which wasn't going to happen (according to the Liberals) unless some 'stimulus' was spent on business. Duh. More arguing in circles.
Lemmie explain something to you: People on EI don't spend money so giving them more money to spend is pointless. People who are working do spend money which is the whole point to a 'stimulus'. People in EI (which is a good program) who are going to get an extra $100/month WILL NOT save the economy and subsequently they will remain unemployed even longer....which means they will spend less or nothing, even longer....which means the recession, (a word used to describe a period where people are too scared to spend resulting in businesses doing poorly and laying off people), lasts even longer. Class dismissed.

Typical liberal: you have all the answers until you're in charge; when you are in charge you either do the same thing you were criticizing or nothing at all.

[Lemmy]

This partisan bickering is really becoming tiresome. It's just exhausting to keep re-reading the same hack-horseshit, logic and objectivity absent from both sides. It's like hearing "Whole Lotta Love" for 10,000th time. Zeppelin was cool and interesting so many years ago, but now it's just like fingernails on a chalk board; it's so overplayed. Can you lot not find something half way new or interesting to disagree on?

[Akhenaten]

$1:

Can you lot not find something half way new or interesting to disagree on?

ok. Pie is better than cake.

Just watch -- Curtman's going to choose cake. Everybody knows pie is better.

[poquas]

Lemmy Lemmy:

This partisan bickering is really becoming tiresome. It's just exhausting to keep re-reading the same hack-horseshit, logic and objectivity absent from both sides. It's like hearing "Whole Lotta Love" for 10,000th time. Zeppelin was cool and interesting so many years ago, but now it's just like fingernails on a chalk board; it's so overplayed. Can you lot not find something half way new or interesting to disagree on?

Hell, I’ll listen to Whole Lotta Love 10000 times before I get involved in most of these topics!

I don’t bother with most of these topics anymore. You can tell the poster by the topic’s title, and can be guaranteed that it’s going to devolve into a partisan shitfest by the second page.

Can’t we just declare this kind of crap as political spam and delete it? Better yet, the offending poster who starts one has to read all of the opposing side without the ability to respond.

[PluggyRug]

Who's Iggy?